RE: Nathan! / Jazz

From: Dirk van den Heuvel (dirkv@groovedis.com)
Date: Fri Apr 13 2001 - 20:46:10 CEST

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    I definitely agree with Mark here. The original acid jazz bands (and most
    were bands, not producers or deejays) made basically modern jazz music. The
    difference wasn't so much in the music, but in the attitude, the target
    audience and the people making the music. Kinda like this is not your
    father's jazz music. Pull out an old Beaujolais Band record or Soulciety
    release or a multitude of releases on Tongue N Groove, Talking Loud, Cup Of
    Tea, etc and they have as much if not more of a jazz influence than almost
    all the nu jazz releases of today. The difference is definitely not as much
    in the sound but in who makes it. Where it used to be a lot of live bands a
    lot of it now is producers and deejays. However I'm not so sure I credit
    Kirk DeGiorgio for this...But then again I don't know who I would credit...

    At the end of the day though it's all good. As for some releases that are
    REALLY straight up jazz check the releases on Kyoto Jazz Massive's Especial
    label. I could give those to my dad!

    Dirk van den Heuvel
    President/GM, Groove Distribution
    "Your Guide To The Underground"
    http://www.groovedis.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark Turner [mailto:nugroove@pacbell.net]
    Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:43 PM
    To: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    Subject: RE: Nathan! / Jazz

    Argo said:

    > It's interesting that a lot of the latest "acid jazz" or "nu-jazz" (people
    > playing with jazz elements and electronics) has been aiming in
    > the direction
    > of sounding more like jazz. It seems to me that artists
    > responsible for that
    > classic acid jazz sound were concerned with creating a new sound very
    > distinctive from jazz.

    I would disagree with that. The "classic" acid jazz sound, as personified by
    the Acid Jazz stable of artists, was very "retro," recalling the funk and
    rare groove of the early 70's. That is why, for all intents and purposes,
    acid jazz as a genre is now "dead" -- the term is passe. It was a revivalist
    movement that has long past its prime. That's not to say there weren't some
    talented and forward-thinking people working in that vein, but I don't see
    the current scene as evolving from that at all. That was a live band-based
    scene in the traditional sense. I see the current "nu-jazz" scene as
    evolving out of the lone "bedroom producer" movement, where people started
    experimenting with strictly electronic (programmed) music and then slowly
    began adding more and more of a "live" feel.

    I'd have to credit Kirk Degiorgio as being a real visionary for the current
    wave of "nu-jazz". As far as I'm aware, he was one of the first musicians to
    successfully integrate techno with jazz, and not have it sound ludicrous.

    _____________________
    Mark Turner
    nugroove@pacbell.net
    www.jazzadelica.com
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