RE: music business slump

From: Self (thomas.giles@st-annes.ox.ac.uk)
Date: Thu Nov 29 2001 - 04:11:09 CET

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    Perhaps. But you may question whether all bootlegs of
    independent releases are bought by people who would have bought
    it anyway, and also whether having a bootleg (CDR) copy would
    prevent people trying to buy the vinyl. For instance, i recently
    downloaded a copy of an lp from 98 which I didn't buy at the time;
    but now i've really got into it an am looking for a copy.
    You do have a point bootlegging must undoubtedly harm small
    record companies, but still, sharing mp3s, like through napster or
    hotline, seems to have advantages (i.e. spread of knowledge of
    product, i.e. advertising) for the small company, which it doesn't
    have for the majors, in that the latter already weild significant
    marketing muscle, and so sharing mp3s of their stuff can't work as
    further advertising very successfully.

    >>>tg

    On 28 Nov 2001, at 20:10, Dirk van den Heuvel wrote:

    From: "Dirk van den Heuvel" <dirkv@groovedis.com>
    To: <thomas.giles@st-annes.oxford.ac.uk>,
            <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Subject: RE: music business slump
    Date sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:10:23 -0600
    Organization: Groove Distribution

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    > This sounds good, but don't believe it. Small indie labels are hurt
    > far worse by casual copying and mp3 trading because 1)they less paying
    > customers to make up for the losses, 2)their market is more
    > specialized. When 5 million buy a new Metallica CD and 500,000 copy
    > it, Metallica still made a ton. When 800 copies of a small import
    > comes into the country and 100 people copy it it's a huge loss.
    > Percentwise it may be close but the impact is much greater since 800
    > paying customers don't pay for much to begin with. Think of whether or
    > not that small label will still be around next time to make a copy of
    > a copy for your pals. You'd be surprised how many small labels are run
    > by people part-time because they can't afford to live of the label.
    >
    > Now I'm a 110% for real audio samples and mp3 SNIPPETS, but when the
    > full tracks are available as mp3s or people start trading CDRs it's
    > usually bad news for the small labels I deal with.
    >
    > Dirk van den Heuvel
    > President/GM, Groove Distribution
    > "Your Guide To The Underground"
    > http://www.groovedis.com
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: thomas.giles@st-annes.oxford.ac.uk
    > [mailto:thomas.giles@st-annes.oxford.ac.uk]
    > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:18 PM
    > To: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    > Subject: Re: music business slump
    >
    >
    > > Sh*t... I'm buying more than ever... probably because I have access
    > > to resources that help me find music I like (ex: this list, web
    > > radio,
    >
    > > etc). That said, I can see how the bootlegging side is hurting
    > > companies. I just had a neighbor ask me to help her create a
    > > bootleg compilation of some African music. When I tried to explain
    > > liscensing to her she either refused to listen to me or just didn't
    > > give a darn. Really cheesed me off....
    > >
    > It occurs to me that its only really the majors that are hurt by
    > .mp3s. Underground music sales are supported by collectors - people
    > who are not content with just getting cheap CDRs of stuff. We love
    > vinyl, damn it! Given that mainstream (& non-web) radio doesn't
    > feature much of the kind of music discussed round these here parts,
    > its only good that we can get hold of mp3s of stuff, if we can't get
    > the records. Consider this: if JCR emailed everybody small snippets
    > of the new Jazzanova album (or some such smallish label did something
    > like this) and you listened to it for a month before it came out, and
    > it was wicked - because it will be, lets face it - how much would you
    > want to but that LP?! You want it so much more than anything else!
    > What we shouldn't let happen is bootlegging, this is certainly
    > reprehensible, and dangerous for both majors and minors. But is there
    > really a lot of professional bootlegging of underground(ish) stuff? I
    > don't know 'cos i've never tried to buy it. Making CDs for your mates
    > however, is essential to spreading the word. If none of this happened
    > all the small record labels would go out of business, and then who'd
    > care about royalties?
    >
    > regards
    > >>>tg
    >
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