hip hop dying

From: Lynne d Johnson (ldj00@earthlink.net)
Date: Thu Dec 06 2001 - 05:26:23 CET

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    have to say that although i too said hip hop was dying i didn't mean that
    hip hop itself was dying but more or less hip hop as i once knew and loved
    it was

    although there are a few good moments here and there

    there is still dilated peoples, mos def, madlib, the coup, de la soul, hi
    tek and tabli kweli, blue black and asheru, divine styler, bahamidia,
    medusa, and other cats like that

    and it is true that hip hop is so global...everywhere you go there is some
    form of hip hop
    only difference in other countries more than just the music element is still
    alive
    dance, graf, and djing are important too

    the mc is not king everywhere else

    and truth be told, they love the jay z's, dmx's, ja rule's, et al, all
    across the world

    From: Calvin Ho <chairmancal@atomicattack.com>
    Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:36:24 +0800
    To: <b.graff@lycos.com>, <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Subject: Re: Hiphop...dieing?

    I agree. Though music today whether it'll be this hip hop thread or any
    other music has matured in music production 20 fold. Even back in those
    dinosaur period days of hiphop, tracks which were somewhat underground ended
    up in the top 40 anyway, especially in the UK. House and hiphop tracks like
    Tyree Cooper, Stakker Humanoid, A Guy Called Gerald, Cookie Crew, Bomb Da
    Bass, and Beats International (the list can go on) were doing tracks which
    to me considered to be pioneering but remained on the commercial tip too,
    and thinking back then it might be just coincidence that this happened or is
    it the unavoidable two sides of the coin in the music business, not having
    one without the other?

    I wonder if we can start putting a collaborated list together of artists who
    are doing the "AJ theory" in hiphop.

    Calvin

    >
    > I'm going to have to fall in the middle of the "hip hop is/isn't dying" issue.
    > I think the growing influence (domination?) on culture and the way so many
    > artists across the globe are incorporating it is proof of its continued
    > potency.
    >
    > On the other hand, rap has split into so many different segments that it's a
    > matter of time before somebody starts describing one of the branches as
    > something independent of hip-hop. I think that is part of the maturation that
    > someone else spoke of. Also, the question of who or what is driving the
    > direction of rap remains open to interpretation.
    >
    > Additionally, I'm not sure if those of us who are in our late 20s and up will
    > ever feel the same attachment to today's artists as we do about those from the
    > golden age of the late 80s and early 90s. Times were different back then and
    > there weren't as many commercial pressures on artists as there are now. So
    > even though Jay-Z is an extremely gifted lyricist and Ludacris, Cash Money and
    > Nelly all have blazing beats, the fact that they're blatant about their
    > commercialism makes some people want to deny them their props.
    >
    >
    > ---
    > B.Graff
    > www.allthingsdeep.com
    >
    >



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