Re: Ninja Tune/Shadow records cash-in controversy

From: Leslie N. Shill (icehouse@redshift.com)
Date: Fri Jan 12 2001 - 21:49:19 CET

  • Next message: Frank Swart: "RE: Junk"

    I certainly came to a lot of really good music via Instinct/Shadow! Some
    amazing music came out under the auspices of their imprints and my
    collection which stands at about 900 CD's has quite a few albums that are
    still in many of my mixes. Was what they are supposed to have done that
    wicked? I do not know the business history Instinct/Shadow, but I have
    always felt that these labels alone were a distinction when I have looked
    for music to add to my collection. New music is a sickness I know many of
    you are also afflicted with, but I do want to feed my habit in ways that are
    as ethical as possible. Is there anyone out who might be prepared to give
    me a brief skinny on what it is that these people did that some of you will
    not deal with them? The picture I have tried to assemble from the various
    posts is not clear to me.

    leslie/The Power of Sound/www.kazu.org

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: aspeitia axel arturo barcelo <abarcelo@indiana.edu>
    To: Steve Silvers <steve@seattlegroove.com>
    Cc: Scott A Hunt <scott@kendev.com>; Nathaniel Rahav <nat@rhythmlove.com>;
    Joe Rice <joe@justiceleague.com>; <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:26 PM
    Subject: Re: Ninja Tune/Shadow records cash-in controversy

    > True. Also, in places like Mexico, they are practically the only accesible
    > route to Ninja Tune Releases, . . . even if old ones.
    >
    > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Steve Silvers wrote:
    >
    > > True enough, though they did introduce me to Ninja Tune and DJ Krush, so
    I
    > > can't hate them
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Scott A Hunt" <scott@kendev.com>
    > > To: "Nathaniel Rahav" <nat@rhythmlove.com>; "Joe Rice"
    > > <joe@justiceleague.com>
    > > Cc: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:50 AM
    > > Subject: Re: Ninja Tune/Shadow records cash-in controversy
    > >
    > >
    > > > Shadow records only shining moment was Sharpshooters "Choked Up." a
    > > > personal all time jazz hip hop fav. and still well worth pickin
    up.....
    > > >
    > > > cheers,
    > > >
    > > > scotty
    > > >
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > From: "Nathaniel Rahav" <nat@rhythmlove.com>
    > > > To: "Joe Rice" <joe@justiceleague.com>
    > > > Cc: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:02 AM
    > > > Subject: Re: Ninja Tune/Shadow records cash-in controversy
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Shadow records always seemed to be operating under shady
    circumstances,
    > > > > even from the get go.
    > > > > This was apparent from their super cheezy acid jazz compilations....
    > > > > Weren't they Instinct Records before that?
    > > > > Or is that just another sketchy label that put out mediocre comps?
    > > > >
    > > > > anyway, thanks for the info, it's good to know.
    > > > >
    > > > > Nat
    > > > >
    > > > > P.s. Re: jazz beginnings - I had a drumming teacher who used to make
    me
    > > > > play along to old Buddy Rich records, and I would do it half
    heartedly,
    > > > > until one day I heard some jazz on WKCR 89.9 and it 'clicked'. I
    dont
    > > > > remember who it was that I heard, but I suddenly understood the
    > > > > significance of swinging...
    > > > > anyway my first jazz album was Kind Of Blue, by far one of the
    greatest
    > > > > works of music of the 20th century....
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Joe Rice wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > FYI...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Joe
    > > > > > ------
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1/11/00
    > > > > > FROM NINJA TUNE BY WAY OF MOTORMOUTH
    > > > > > Contact: Brock Phillips (bmotor@pacbell.net), Judy Miller
    > > > > > (wigbox@pacbell.net) or Jeff Waye (jeff@ninjatune.net)
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > URGENT PRESS RELEASE
    > > > > >
    > > > > > It has come to our attention that Instinct/Shadow Records is
    currently
    > > > > > soliciting a compilation entitled "Ninja Tune : The Shadow Years"
    for
    > > > > > release on January 23rd. This release is in no way approved by
    Ninja
    > > > Tune.
    > > > > > Shadow Records acted as a licensee of Ninja Tune material in the
    US
    > > many
    > > > > > years ago. In the short-time of the deal they released a few of
    our
    > > > early
    > > > > > titles. This deal ended in 1996 and since then they've felt the
    need
    > > to
    > > > > > continue repackaging what little amount of our catalog they still
    own.
    > > > We
    > > > > > feel this is nothing more than a shameless way to cash in on our
    10th
    > > > > > Anniversary Campaign of late last year, and the subsequent
    > > > release/success
    > > > > > of the 3CD "Xen Cuts" box set we released. In their onesheet/press
    > > > release
    > > > > > for this record they state "This incredibly low-priced double CD
    set
    > > is
    > > > the
    > > > > > best way for new Ninja fans to be introduced to the label". We
    feel
    > > this
    > > > is
    > > > > > untrue and that our 3CD box-set (also "incredibly low priced") is
    in
    > > > fact
    > > > > > the best way to introduce people to the label. "Ninja Tune : The
    > > Shadow
    > > > > > Years" offers absolutely nothing new, nothing exclusive, and
    nothing
    > > > that
    > > > > > even a passing Ninja fan hasn't already heard on our early
    releases or
    > > > the
    > > > > > endless stream of compilations put out by Shadow Records. Simply
    put
    > > we
    > > > feel
    > > > > > this cheapens the Ninja name, makes us look like a "compilation
    > > label",
    > > > and
    > > > > > it should not be considered a proper Ninja Tune release in any
    way.
    > > Stay
    > > > > > tuned for more great "new" records on Ninja Tune.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > More info, gripes, etc... contact Jeff Waye at jeff@ninjatune.net
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    > :-:.:-:.:-:.:-:.:-:.:-:
    > : www.mp3.com/drxl :
    > :.:-:.:-:.:-:.:-:.:-:.:
    >



    This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Fri Jan 12 2001 - 22:16:56 CET