Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case

From: rw:fresh (rob1@audiogalaxy.com)
Date: Wed Jul 11 2001 - 19:03:40 CEST

  • Next message: helen szirtes: "Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case"

    you forgot about beat-boxing...
    /rob

    helen szirtes wrote:

    > Not wishing to harp on the hip hop theme, but here's a
    > little further clarification:
    >
    > hip hop is a word that describes an essentially
    > African American street culture that developed in the
    > 1970s and which compromises several distinct
    > components: djing (as in the rise of djs and artists
    > and technicians, rapping (as in speaking rhythmically
    > over a beat), breakdancing and graffiti writing
    > (although graffiti as an art form had been around for
    > some time previous). Out of this culture came a music,
    > also called hip hop, which itself may have distinct
    > styles. The separate components of hip hop culture can
    > be borrowed and used in other styles and forms - hence
    > rap (which I see as a musical method rather than a
    > musical style), can be found used in the most unlikely
    > (some would say unsuitable) places.
    >
    > If anyone is curious about how to define musical
    > styles, I suggest they take a peek at artistdirect.com
    > and browse the many hundreds of genres they have
    > there, most of which come with a little definition
    > which may not always be 100% accurate, but is
    > interesting at any rate.
    >
    >
    >
    > --- "Szirtes, Thomas" <SzirtesT@soe.sega.co.uk> wrote:
    > > I disagree my way of looking at it is like this:
    > >
    > > rap = is process of putting speech in a rhythmic
    > > sense over music
    > > hip-hop = is a musical style, typically between
    > > 70-100bpm, usually with
    > > syncopated bassdrum patterns.
    > >
    > > Therefore rap-music can cover any kind of rubbish -
    > > rap over pop/funk (ie.
    > > p. diddy/w. smith),
    > > rap over r&b or metal.
    > >
    > > Personally I love hip-hop - but for me Puff Daddy is
    > > not a hip-hop artist,
    > > simply because
    > > the music he raps over is not recognisably in the
    > > hip-hop genre. On the
    > > other hand Snopp Dogg and other Death Row or Dre
    > > productions are quite
    > > recognisably hip-hop.
    > >
    > > Anyway I agree with the discenting voices - I love
    > > hip-hop but this is an
    > > "Acid Jazz" list (whatever that means!).
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Beau Young [mailto:bjy07@hotmail.com]
    > > Sent: 11 July 2001 06:53
    > > To: kgoodale@stic.net
    > > Cc: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    > > Subject: Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >From: "Keith Goodale" I was wondering what the
    > > >distinction is between hip hop and rap. I noticed
    > > that several artists fall
    > >
    > > >into both categories and I would like to know how
    > > to distinguish between
    > > the
    > > >two. Thanks for any information.
    > > >
    > >
    > > >Keith Goodale
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > oooh, this is a good one. in my mind rap IS hip
    > > hop... rap is like a
    > > sub-genre of hip hop and also a sub-genre of funk
    > > and soul which are the
    > > main elements of "rap", production wise. Rap
    > > usually refers to hip hop with
    > > a more gangster feel to it. Hip hop (as mentioned
    > > so far in this group)
    > > tends to be more mental while rap is more often
    > > emotional, extremely funky
    > > and often violent or rude. Some quality rap artists
    > > include Scarface, Ice
    > > Cube, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Master P. The lyrics
    > > mostly focus on
    > > partying, women, smoking, drinking, money and street
    > > conflicts. The sound is
    > > heavy heavy funk and 60's, 70's soul music, oh and
    > > super heavy on the bass.
    > > This is not *at all* to say 'rap' music can not be
    > > mental... anyone who is
    > > familiar with scarface, earlier stuff by ice cube
    > > and early Outkast knows
    > > the two are compatible... .its just matter of what
    > > the individual hip hop
    > > artists has! been exposed to. Hope that helps some.
    > >
    > >
    > > Beau J Young
    > >
    > > >----- Original Message -----
    > >
    > > >From: Patrik Hamberg
    > > >To:
    > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:26 AM
    > > >Subject: hip hop top 10 / in my case
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >since I love lists and have been reading all of
    > > yours with great
    > > >pleasure the last couple of days, here's my hip hop
    > > top 10:
    > > >
    > > >1. Public Enemy "It takes a nation of millions to
    > > hold us back"
    > > >2. Beastie Boys "Check Your Head"
    > > >3. N.W.A. "Straight Outta Compton"
    > > >4. Dr Dre "The Chronic"
    > > >5. Wu-Tang Clan "36 Chambers"
    > > >6. Gang Starr "Moment of Truth"
    > > >7. Fugees "The Score"
    > > >8. De La Soul "...is Dead"
    > > >9. Ice Cube "The Predator"
    > > >0. 2Pac "All Eyeys on Me"
    > > >
    > > >And ten that could have made it to the top ten:
    > > >
    > > >Run DMC "Raising Hell"
    > > >A Tribe Called Quest "The Love Movement"
    > > >Jurassic 5 "LP"
    > > >Warren G "Regulate... G-Funk Era"
    > > >Mos Def "Black on Both Sides"
    > > >Missy Misdemeneaor Elliott "Supa Dupa Fly"
    > > >The Roots "Come Alive"
    > > >Common "Like Water for Chocolate"
    > > >Lil Kim "Notorious Kim"
    > > >MOP "Warriorz"
    > > >
    > > >In my CD case (24 slots):
    > > >
    > > >1. Case "Open Letter"
    > > >2. Ky-Mani Marley "Many More Roads"
    > > >3. Lil Mo "Based on a true story"
    > > >4. Empty
    > > >5. Empty
    > > >6. Empty
    > > >7. CMJ New Music May 2001
    > > >8. Empty
    > > >9. Empty
    > > >10. Empty
    > > >11. Empty
    > > >12. Empty
    > > >13. Empty
    > > >14. Empty
    > > >15. Fre "Välkommen till Fre"
    > > >16. The Barbwires "...Sounds Like Trouble"
    > > >17. The Peepshows "Tomorrow We Die... Today We
    > > Kill"
    > > >18. Ugly Duckling "Journey to Anywhere"
    > > >19. The Stooges "Fun House"
    > > >20. Michael Franti & Spearhead "Stay Human"
    > > >21. Urga "Urgasm"
    > > >22. Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek "Reflection Eternal"
    > > >23. Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star
    > > >24. Fint Tillsammans "En Världsomsegling"
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