RE: rap versus hip hop (part thirty-eight thousand)

From: Szirtes, Thomas (SzirtesT@soe.sega.co.uk)
Date: Thu Jul 12 2001 - 10:16:46 CEST

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    Quite! Anyway MP3 DJing rules! :-)

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Dave Haynes [mailto:gvcontact@hotmail.com]
    > Sent: 11 August 2001 01:51
    > To: Acid Jazz List
    > Subject: Re: rap versus hip hop (part thirty-eight thousand)
    >
    >
    > OK, I haven't actually read any of this thread or its predecessors, so
    > correct me if I am speaking out of turn ( and I'm sure
    > someone probably
    > will). If I am incorrect in my assumptions i shall read the previous
    > messages, but i guess my point is still the same for future reference
    >
    > I think we should discuss the odd bit of hip-hop on this list
    > as there is
    > plenty of excellent hip-hop that fits in with the general
    > music taste of
    > most members of this list.
    >
    > However do we have to get into boring "this vs that"
    > discussions which are
    > probably raging on many other lists. It's like the light vs dark d'n'b
    > discussions; the nu skool breaks vs big beat threads; the
    > beat mathcing vs
    > tune selection arguments; and my personally pet hate - the CD vs vinyl
    > debate.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: <BigKumquat@aol.com>
    > To: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > Cc: <charlie@nofuncharlie.com>
    > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:14 AM
    > Subject: rap versus hip hop (part thirty-eight thousand)
    >
    >
    > >
    > > In my mind, it works like this:
    > >
    > > Hip hop is a musical form that emerged in the seventies.
    > It is based on
    > > taking the instrumental "breaks" from soul and funk records and
    > continually
    > > repeating them using two turntables, a technique that dj's
    > in this era
    > began
    > > to employ when they realized that the crowd danced the
    > hardest during the
    > > funky instrumental breaks...so why not keep them going longer?
    > >
    > > Generally, hip hop has a BPM that is on the slower side,
    > maybe less than
    > 100,
    > > although this doesn't have to be true in every case - there was some
    > killer
    > > mega-fast hip hop delivered by Ice T and Public Enemy
    > during a period in
    > the
    > > late eighties. To me, the quintessential hip hop BPM would
    > be at about
    > 85,
    > > maybe 90.
    > >
    > > Rap, in my view, is hip hop where rapping itself is present: vocals
    > spoken
    > > rhythmically, but without obvious tonality. So, rap has to
    > have rapping,
    > > whereas hip hop could either have rapping or be purely
    > instrumental. Rap
    > is
    > > a subset of hip hop. DJ Shadow would be hip hop, but not
    > rap (except on
    > > those tracks where rappers appear).
    > >
    > > Another way to look at it: your average mainstream Joe
    > Sixpack knows the
    > term
    > > "rap," but may not know the term "hip hop." Hip hop is often the
    > terminology
    > > used by people who know a bit about the music, and are
    > using the term as
    > > evidence that they are "down."
    > >
    > > Your mileage may vary.
    > >
    > > - fred
    > >
    > > P.S. Anyone want a FREE kumquat cd? If so, check out:
    > >
    > > http://nofuncharlie.com/kumquat
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
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    > >
    > >
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