Re: everywhere is war

From: Leslie N. Shill (icehouse@redshift.com)
Date: Fri Sep 07 2001 - 01:01:46 CEST

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    Hey Steve,

    thanks for the voice of reason!

    leslie/The Power of Sound

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Steve Catanzaro" <stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.com>
    To: "adario" <adario@thingsburnup.com>; <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:15 AM
    Subject: Re: everywhere is war

    > The speech to the League of the Nations was definitely the apex of
    > Selassie's (fascinating) life and career, but implying that the United
    > States of America and Israel should heed him as a voice of moral authority
    > is really too much.
    >
    > Saying that Haile Selassie was a "despot" is hardly an ad hominem attack,
    > considering there is photographic evidence showing him feeding his dogs
    > prime cuts of beef while the country was paralyzed by a devestating
    famine.
    >
    > As for musicians / politics. When I agree with their politics / stances, I
    > take them seriously. When I disagree, I still enjoy their music.
    >
    > For instance, when Charlie 2na of J5 raps against materialism or absentee
    > fathers, I enjoy it, and take it seriously.
    >
    > However, when Fela Kuti tells African women they are foolish for trying to
    > claim equality with men like Western women I don't agree, but I still
    enjoy
    > the music. Is that ok? Or do you agree that African women shouldn't sit
    down
    > and eat before men, because Fela Kuti said it and he invented a well-loved
    > style of music?
    >
    > I'm in it for the music. The politics I can take or leave.
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: adario <adario@thingsburnup.com>
    > To: Steve Catanzaro <stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.com>; <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:06 AM
    > Subject: RE: everywhere is war
    >
    >
    > > Well, obviously I was paying tribute to Bob Marley with that subject
    line.
    > > OK, so not exactly acid jazz, but definitely an inspiration to countless
    > > musicians of the genre. So, please excuse the ex nihilo posting.
    > >
    > > On Haile Selassie:
    > > Ad hominem attacks aside, it's a phenomenal speech and is extremely
    > relevant
    > > given the misdirected unilateralist course of the current US
    > administration.
    > > Judge it for its own merits. As for Marcus Garvey's critique of
    Selassie,
    > > here are some more detailed references if anyone's curious:
    > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/garvey/sfeature/sf_forum_4.html
    > > http://debate.uvm.edu/dreadlibrary/cardillo.html
    > > http://www.commonlink.com/~olsen/RASTAFARI/GARVEY/rupert.html
    > >
    > > On politics and acid jazz:
    > > The reason that I love this music is that it IS so political. I'm not
    > here
    > > to trade emails aboout soothing apolitical elevator cheeze jazz. If
    > that's
    > > what this list is about then I will GLADLY exit. I'd far rather feel
    the
    > > articulation of our common world presence then listen to placid
    > > instrumentals, stupifying house beats or the banal lyrics of serial pop
    > > commodities. Would you prefer it, Steve, if Jill Scott didn't mention
    > > reparations? If Marvin Gaye didn't speak on the state of the ecology?
    If
    > > Gil Scot-Heron didn't talk about the CIA? If Cypress Hill kept
    > > decriminalization on the downlow? If Roy Ayers didn't see red, black
    and
    > > green? If Bob Marley didn't sing on burnin and lootin tonight? If
    Sarah
    > > Jones had nothing to say to the FCC? If Sun-Ra didn't chant down
    nuclear
    > > war? If Mos Def didn't appear in Bamboozled? If Digable Planets shutup
    > > about the fascists? If Michael Frente didn't touch a mic? If Ursula
    > Rucker
    > > hushed up about misogyny? If DJ shadow didn't have an MC on the
    Midnight
    > > track? If Fela Kuti was never born?
    > >
    > > Do you believe that these artists and their ideas should be enjoyed but
    > not
    > > taken seriously?
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Steve Catanzaro [mailto:stevencatanzaro@sprintmail.com]
    > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:28 AM
    > > To: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    > > Subject: Re: everywhere is war
    > >
    > >
    > > Is this the same Haile Selassie who drove around Addis Ababa in a Rolls
    > > Royce throwing out breadcrumbs to the masses?
    > >
    > > The same Haile Selassie who was unceremoniously deposed by his own
    people
    > > after a half-century reign that left Ethiopia empoverished, this despite
    > his
    > > own palatial lifestyle?
    > >
    > > Other than the fact that some great musicians worshipped the myth of Ras
    > > Tafari, (yet Marcus Garvey himself scoffed at the notion of Selassie as
    an
    > > object of worship), what does the complex issues surrounding the UN,
    > > Zionism, or the declarations of the despotic Haile Selassie have to do
    > with
    > > acid jazz? Aren't there other forums more appropriate for the expression
    > of
    > > these kinds of sentiments?
    > >
    > > Can't we have a politics free zone?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >



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