From: Stimp (stimp@aei.ca)
Date: Mon Dec 16 2002 - 17:42:31 CET
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stimp" <stimp@aei.ca>
To: "BRIAN" <bbaltin@earthlink.net>; "David Bassin" <bassyd@pacbell.net>;
"Acid Jazz ml - UCSD" <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] outing
> The term "industrial", as far as I know, was termed by Throbbing
> Gristle, but I can't rememember how the term was coined. I have a feeling
> it had something to do with "Industrial Records", the record label which
> they launched in order to release their sonic collages and experiments.
> Personally, I'd add bands like Skinny Puppy, Suicide, Ministry, Revolting
> Cocks, Can, Kraftwerk etc... to the list of industrial pioneers. Check
out
> www.allmusic.com , it's all there.
>
> Many seem to pick Throbbing Gristle as the "true" pioneers of the
modern
> industrial sound (I'd argue that point), probably more because they coined
> the term "industrial music" than for any other legitimate reason. In any
> case, if this is the case and we were to take what they were doing in the
> mid-70's, I'd go back MUCH further to contemporary Classical composers
like
> Stockhausen, Varese, Xenakis, Messaien, Boulez, Nono, Morricone's Grupo
> Improvisazione, etc.... As far as I'm concerned, any true fan of
electronic
> music (i.e. not the trendsetter types concerned with filling their "cool"
> quotient) should be at least somewhat familiar with early electronic music
> pioneers like the ones mentioned above. Listening to early electronic
tape
> music and understanding the history will only make you further appreciate
> the roots of what the new guys are laying down, and how far electronic
music
> has come.
>
> I mean, there's nothing more industrial sounding that Iannis Xenakis'
> "Persepolis", and that was recorded in 1971! Give it a listen, it's well
> worth it. Asphodel records rereleased this excellent recording on cd just
> this year, and it's definitely going to be making my albums of the year
> list. They actually packaged the original 1971 performance as a double
cd.
> The second cd consists of remixes of "Persepolis" done by artists like
> Merzbow, Otomo Yoshihide, Zbigniew Karkowski, Francisco Lopez, and others.
> Personally, I find the remix cd rather weak, but the Xenakis performance
is
> essential listening, especially for fans of Industrial music et.al.
>
> Stimp
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BRIAN" <bbaltin@earthlink.net>
> To: "David Bassin" <bassyd@pacbell.net>; "Acid Jazz ml - UCSD"
> <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] outing
>
>
> > Yes, the term industrial was bastardized to connote only industrial
disco
> > around 86 with Wax Trax's success, but before that it was the
experimental
> > (and, yes, occasionally harsh) electronics of groups like Throbbing
> Gristle,
> > SPK, the early Cabaret Voltaire, Ludus, 23 Skidoo, This Heat, and
> countless
> > other groups.
> > That said, plenty of the industrial groups were doing completely
> > danceable music that wasn't about nondescript syncopated beats at all,
but
> > very organic "white boy funk." Groups like 23 Skidoo, Ludus, the Pop
> Group,
> > Rip Rig and Panic, et. al. , were at least as responsible for acid jazz
> and
> > its offshoots as Style Council, Working Week, and all the others that
> people
> > automatically mention.
> >
> > Brian Baltin
> >
> > On 12/15/02 10:19 PM, "David Bassin" <bassyd@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> Oh, if we want to talk industrial...shouldn't we go back to Nitzer
Ebb,
> > >> Bronski Beat? Or does it go back even further?
> > >
> > >
> > > Bronski Beat???? Jimmy Somerville and Co. were the furthest thing
> > > from industrial music you could name. They were pure disco in the
> > > '80s sense of the word. As for Nitzer Ebb, they were
> > > industrial-lite.....
> > >
> > > DB
> > >
> >
> >
>
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