Re: the singer!!!

From: leslie shill (icehouse@redshift.com)
Date: Fri Feb 08 2002 - 03:59:17 CET

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    Rick,

    after having read your retort and having considered it for what it is worth,
    I feel I have to respond in some fashion. Your assumption that I was "on"
    something, even coffee is really silly. One of the reasons I have enjoyed
    this list over the years is that there are interesting people who belong to
    it and they generally seem to have above-average amounts of thought power,
    even when they are expressing ideas and concepts that I find to be not to my
    liking I still take in what is said and expressed because it comes from a
    space that is in the love of the music! Quite frankly, your calling me
    shallow assumes more than I care to accept, I did look at the photo of your
    singer, mainly because I was interested to see whether you qualified the
    display or not and you definitely did not. Yes, your singer is an attractive
    woman but my comments were not made because or in spite of that and I was
    not really upset at your not being a bit of an idiot, not a complete one
    mind you, just a bit of a one! If you had said just 25 words on what an
    incredible singer she was, or how much you loved her or are attracted to her
    or how she fits into the sound of the band, that would have made all the
    difference in the world but what you said really dissed her and the minds of
    the people who belong to this group because I think there is some integrity
    in this group of people and they are unquestionably devoted and deeply into
    the music, yes, it's the music stupid, the music! That you could be enamored
    of your singer is understandable and acceptable but that you chose to
    portray her the way that you did is not. Still, it was your choice and I
    think you found that the people on this list do not accept the point of view
    you put forward and implied to be the case. It is really a priority to show
    all of you since she is now a member of your band and apparently a good
    singer so a clip of her voice with the band would have made any words
    redundant. Now you are probably foaming at the mouth a little but chill out
    dude, once people came at you about this photograph and your comment, if you
    had just acknowledged what they said instead of getting pissy, then I think
    that would have been a lot better. Sadly for you, there are people like me
    who like to write and throw things around. Even now you have chosen not to
    acknowledge this woman's talent and instead you have chosen to be defensive
    about what you did and said! Please tell us now, what kind of voice does she
    have, why did you choose her (beyond her looks!) and how will she contribute
    to the band. It isn't easy to find good singers but there are many pretty
    faces in any given crowd if that is what grabs you and the road to musical
    nirvana is littered with them. I understand your ebullience at finding a
    good singer, I do not understand your defensiveness at being put on the
    spot. I happen to think this is a good point to begin a thread about finding
    and working with other people, men and women, the good, the bad and the
    uuuuuuugly (whatever that means!) but now it is up to you to play it out in
    a positive way.

    your move?

    the ls.dj leslie/The Power of Sound
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Rick Torres" <sblrocks@pacbell.net>
    To: <icehouse@redshift.com>
    Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:43 PM
    Subject: Re: the singer!!!

    > Seeing as how there are tons of photos of the rest of the group already in
    > circulation, I didn't think it was a big priority to show photo's of the
    > rest of us... this in mind, are you upset only because she is attractive?
    > If you ask me, that is just a little shallow.
    >
    > ----------
    > >From: icehouse@redshift.com
    > >To: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    > >Subject: the singer!!!
    > >Date: Thu, Feb 7, 2002, 4:26 PM
    > >
    >
    > > Well, you got what you deserved and asked for by posting this picture
    > > with the inane comment that she can sing as well, not terribly
    > > complimentary to the woman concerned! I would love to read her comment
    on
    > > what has been said here. By the way, what does your bass player look
    like
    > > or is the image less important because it's a man? This is a verbal and
    > > aware group, post pictures and silly comments at your peril!
    > >
    > > leslie/The Power of Sound
    > >
    > > PS WCYPMP?
    > >
    > > --
    > > This email was sent using Red Shift's webmail server.
    > >
    >



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