[acid-jazz] RE: Negative music.../ Positive Solutions

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    The hardest working DJ in NYC speaks. You have a witness down under Brother
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    From: DJQoolMarv@AOL.COM [mailto:DJQoolMarv@AOL.COM]
    Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:24 AM
    To: jentelligent@yahoo.com; acid-jazz@ucsd.edu
    Subject: Re: Negative music.../ Positive Solutions

    In a message dated 05/29/2002 5:37:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
    jentelligent@yahoo.com writes:

    He then looked at me in
    disgust like I expected he would. That's a common
    reaction I get. He was shocked to see me as black man
    listening something besides Mystikal or Camron. It's
    frustrating how much mind control radio and TV has on
    the masses. Has anyone had a similar experience?

    -Chris Jentile

    Sparked by my man Chris, this is a rant, by the way, good to see dialogue
    flying again on this list.

    That reaction is a result of many layers ranging from the blatant payola
    between the deep pocket major labels and commercial radio to the
    never-ending saga of the low self esteem of the poor and working class that
    is hammered every second of everyday with misguided images of success being
    related to perpetual promiscuous casual sex and drugs with many and the
    ownership of everything that is pointless to really moving ahead in life
    i.e., excessive jewelry and high-end automobiles with car notes the size of
    some people's mortgages.

    "Ghetto fabulous" is perhaps one of the most sickening terms that could have
    ever come out of the stagnant Hip Hop & R&B scheme. I mean let's break it
    down. Once upon a time, people who lived in ghettos had one main
    objective...work to get out of the ghetto. You had to try and work harder
    because you weren't making much to save but you had to save what you
    could...if it took you 3 jobs to afford an apartment in a better
    neighborhood, it was worth it. Better schools, quiet clean streets,
    whatever, but the aim was to get there and out of the ghetto. Now, the
    ghetto, as told through people who move out as soon as they are platinum, is
    this great place full of these honorable men called thugs and women who have
    the distinction of shaking their ass the fastest to be alluring enough to be
    one of the thugs many bitches, who then will be subjected to countless bouts
    of infidelity (thus many trips to the OB/GYN for STD or pregnancy tests),
    smackd! owns, and marked with the scarlet G...for the goldigger at home
    taking care of the thug's kids).

    Stay with me please.

    Hip Hop music was once the most authentic and sometimes painfully honest
    forms of music ever. Hip Hop was truly the voice of the voiceless, Chuck D
    coined it Black America's CNN. I know what your are thinking, now I'll go
    off into a rant about P.E., BPD, Tribe, and conscious lyrics. It is not
    just about that, it was about the diversity and the freedom to be exactly
    who you are. When I mentioned painfully honest, I think about how I cringed
    when I heard what N.W.A stood for, but eventually gave them a listen...and
    no I didn't love them after listening to them because their experience
    wasn't my experience...but it was their experience and how they lived life.

    Young music fans do not the choice or opportunity to make that distinction
    anymore. For to many reasons to write about, in the last 10 years, Hip Hop
    has dulled into an homogenized product for mass consumption. Consider this,
    Hip Hop (commercial) is the music of choice for 10 years olds now. The
    worst forms of it the better. I recently DJed a Bar Mitzvah for a friend of
    my wife's family and I believe that that's the 13th birthday celebration.
    The music of choice as sent to me as a playlist...Nelly, Jay-Z, P Diddy,
    J-Lo, Fabulous, Mystical, Ashanti (with her shameless obvious sample of
    another obvious sample), and so on. These artists are regarded, going by
    the request of these kids, with the likes of Shaggy, Little Bow Wow and the
    Who Let The Dogs Out group. Gimmicky and silly enough for children is the
    underlying theme, although these artist would never admit or even realize
    that that is what their music has become.

    Flip the scene to a New York City popular buppie (black urban professional
    25-35 year-old crowd...aka the group that will symbolize what black people
    have come to in this country since the civil rights movement - yes, we are
    (I'm 32) the first generation born into life in America without segregation
    and overt racism to contend with). You might imagine a group of
    sophisticated well learned college graduates, might be bored with the
    playlist of 10 year olds but in reality, it is the same playlist. I'm the
    first of 2 DJs at a pretty nice party with an outdoor setting that faces the
    sunset. My job as per the promoters is to play that "cool-out shit like
    acid-jazz and all that different shit" to the corporate ghetto fabulous
    crowd. I'm into because here is a chance to be part of the solution and
    drop everything on them from 4 Hero to Mr. Scruff, from Jurassic 5 to Mos
    Def, from Jill Scott to Spacek...you all know what I mean.

    Now imagine people looking up to me with impatient rolling eyes, what are
    you playing and can you pick it up shrugs, and worst of all people not even
    nodding their heads or tapping their feet. For the context, I'm black, and
    I know that my people once upon a time, danced to Jazz music, vigorously. I
    watch my own people sit still to music that is truly an extension of our
    entire musical experience...jazz, soul, blues, hip hop, disco, etc. I watch
    my own people come at me one by one to ask me when am I going to play some
    hip hop as De La Soul is cranking the system. I have to plead with
    aggressive requesters who are so upset that they haven't heard Jay-Z's voice
    for five minutes, that I'm a DJ with my own style, I have great records to
    play for you...please let me play them for you because radio or your
    friendly neighborhood regurgitating radio hits DJ will not play them. I ask
    them to let me offer them a different experience, one that feels like ! New
    York City 10 year's ago when the crowd hardly had a clue what the DJ was
    playing, and that made the party exciting, different, and worth going to.
    Please let me show you how different music is energizing and you'll leave
    here feeling like you were somewhere special because the music took you to
    unfamiliar but soulful funky places.

    Now imagine the blank stare, and then the response of..."but you still going
    to play some Hip Hop right?" I used to get all worked up but now I feel
    like it is my duty to explain what I'm doing and to defend difference,
    diversity, and my own individual approach. As the dumbfounded requester
    walks back to tell their people's how much I suck, I'm tempted to say "no,
    YOU suck, but what's the point of that? I'd rather keep smacking them in
    the head with the best of all the different genres I play...I try not to
    give them any room to blame the music, but blame me for not playing what
    they are used to. I can take that heat because some people do come around.
    I'll even take 2 or 3 out of 200, because those 2 or 3 have friends and they
    will leave that night with something special in their heads that they will
    want to share with their friends and family...it happens all the time. It
    is rocky soil but you must still plant seeds.

    Chris, keep offering up those headphones, people don't like different, but
    that they surely know what's different and that stays in their head.

    One of my funniest encounters was with a guy who truly calls himself Rugged,
    a true thugged-out cat that worked Def Jam's Street teams in New York. He
    came to a gig, and folks this does happen, he gave me a Ja Rule single, and
    then stood next to me for a while. I thought that he was checking out the
    party but he was actually waiting for me to play his record. So I told him
    that Ja Rule doesn't really mix well with Eddie Kendricks and that I'd be
    playing more soul classics stuff for the remainder of my set (of course the
    commercial DJ was up next for the late crowd...which I also explained to
    him). Now these are guys that strong-armed New York into it's homogenized
    state by doing just what they do, intimidating you into playing their tune
    by implying that you will not get anymore free vinyl if you don't. Much to
    Rugged's dismay, I didn't care if I was dropped from Def Jam's list and I
    was not going to drop the (uncredited) Stevie Wonder rip-off o! f Ja Rule's
    "Living It Up" in the middle of my classics set...but, keeping in mind that
    this shouldn't be a standoff, I gave Rugged a couple of my mixed CDs that
    had stuff like, Roots Manuva, 23 Skidoo, LTJ Bukem, Attica Blues, and the
    Silent Poets on it.

    People, even Rugged was converted as he know wants every mixed CD that I do
    and has even propositioned me about promoting them.

    So that is my rant and positive solution. Pointing out the problem is
    practically the ethos of American existence now so I shamelessly admit that
    I'm on the "point out the solution" bandwagon. All of you listers out
    there, please burn those CDs of you favorite joints, songs you feel that
    deserve to be heard and give them to that Hot 97, Z-100, K-Rock 92 listening
    coworker of yours. Chances are they will dig at least some of the tunes and
    start your dialogue with them about what else they may be into. It's all
    great to be part of the exclusive community that reads Straight No Chaser
    religiously, but I feel greater when I can share the new music that I've
    discovered with people who seem disinterested in anything that they haven't
    heard on the radio. Enjoying something new is a natural human instinct so
    you have hone in on that urge for newness and provide some nourishment.

    If you made it here thanks for reading this and what do you think?

    EZ

    Qool DJ Marv

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    <DIV><SPAN class=532352522-29052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
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    Marv.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
    DJQoolMarv@AOL.COM [mailto:DJQoolMarv@AOL.COM] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May
    30, 2002 5:24 AM<BR><B>To:</B> jentelligent@yahoo.com;
    acid-jazz@ucsd.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Negative music.../ Positive
    Solutions<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
      color=#400040 size=2>In a message dated 05/29/2002 5:37:46 AM Eastern Daylight
      Time, jentelligent@yahoo.com writes:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
      style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
      FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE
      style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
      TYPE="CITE">He then looked at me in<BR>disgust like I expected he
        would.&nbsp; That's a common<BR>reaction I get. He was shocked to see me as
        black man<BR>listening something besides Mystikal or Camron.
        It's<BR>frustrating how much mind control radio and TV has on<BR>the masses.
        Has anyone had a similar experience?<BR><BR>-Chris
      Jentile<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
      style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#400040 size=2
      FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Sparked by my man Chris, this is a rant, by the way,
      good to see dialogue flying again on this list.<BR><BR>That reaction is a
      result of many layers ranging from the blatant payola between the deep pocket
      major labels and commercial radio to the never-ending saga of the low self
      esteem of the poor and working class that is hammered every second of everyday
      with misguided images of success being related to perpetual promiscuous casual
      sex and drugs with many and the ownership of everything that is pointless to
      really moving ahead in life i.e., excessive jewelry and high-end automobiles
      with car notes the size of some people's mortgages.<BR><BR>"Ghetto fabulous"
      is perhaps one of the most sickening terms that could have ever come out of
      the stagnant Hip Hop &amp; R&amp;B scheme.&nbsp; I mean let's break it
      down.&nbsp; Once upon a time, people who lived in ghettos had one main
      objective...work to get out of the ghetto.&nbsp; You had to try and work
      harder because you weren't making much to save but you had to save what you
      could...if it took you 3 jobs to afford an apartment in a better neighborhood,
      it was worth it.&nbsp; Better schools, quiet clean streets, whatever, but the
      aim was to get there and out of the ghetto.&nbsp; Now, the ghetto, as told
      through people who move out as soon as they are platinum, is this great place
      full of these honorable men called thugs and women who have the distinction of
      shaking their ass the fastest to be alluring enough to be one of the thugs
      many bitches, who then will be subjected to countless bouts of infidelity
      (thus many trips to the OB/GYN for STD or pregnancy tests), smackd! owns, and
      marked with the scarlet G...for the goldigger at home taking care of the
      thug's kids).<BR><BR>Stay with me please.<BR><BR>Hip Hop music was once the
      most authentic and sometimes painfully honest forms of music ever.&nbsp; Hip
      Hop was truly the voice of the voiceless, Chuck D coined it Black America's
      CNN.&nbsp; I know what your are thinking, now I'll go off into a rant about
      P.E., BPD, Tribe, and conscious lyrics.&nbsp; It is not just about that, it
      was about the diversity and the freedom to be exactly who you are.&nbsp; When
      I mentioned painfully honest, I think about how I cringed when I heard what
      N.W.A stood for, but eventually gave them a listen...and no I didn't love them
      after listening to them because their experience wasn't my experience...but it
      was their experience and how they lived life.<BR><BR>Young music fans do not
      the choice or opportunity to make that distinction anymore.&nbsp; For to many
      reasons to write about, in the last 10 years, Hip Hop has dulled into an
      homogenized product for mass consumption.&nbsp; Consider this, Hip Hop
      (commercial) is the music of choice for 10 years olds now.&nbsp; The worst
      forms of it the better.&nbsp; I recently DJed a Bar Mitzvah for a friend of my
      wife's family and I believe that that's the 13th birthday celebration.&nbsp;
      The music of choice as sent to me as a playlist...Nelly, Jay-Z, P Diddy, J-Lo,
      Fabulous, Mystical, Ashanti (with her shameless obvious sample of another
      obvious sample), and so on.&nbsp; These artists are regarded, going by the
      request of these kids, with the likes of Shaggy, Little Bow Wow and the Who
      Let The Dogs Out group. Gimmicky and silly enough for children is the
      underlying theme, although these artist would never admit or even realize that
      that is what their music has become.<BR><BR>Flip the scene to a New York City
      popular buppie (black urban professional 25-35 year-old crowd...aka the group
      that will symbolize what black people have come to in this country since the
      civil rights movement - yes, we are (I'm 32) the first generation born into
      life in America without segregation and overt racism to contend with).&nbsp;
      You might imagine a group of sophisticated well learned college graduates,
      might be bored with the playlist of 10 year olds but in reality, it is the
      same playlist.&nbsp; I'm the first of 2 DJs at a pretty nice party with an
      outdoor setting that faces the sunset.&nbsp; My job as per the promoters is to
      play that "cool-out shit like acid-jazz and all that different shit" to the
      corporate ghetto fabulous crowd.&nbsp; I'm into because here is a chance to be
      part of the solution and drop everything on them from 4 Hero to Mr. Scruff,
      from Jurassic 5 to Mos Def, from Jill Scott to Spacek...you all know what I
      mean.<BR><BR>Now imagine people looking up to me with impatient rolling eyes,
      what are you playing and can you pick it up shrugs, and worst of all people
      not even nodding their heads or tapping their feet.&nbsp; For the context, I'm
      black, and I know that my people once upon a time, danced to Jazz music,
      vigorously.&nbsp; I watch my own people sit still to music that is truly an
      extension of our entire musical experience...jazz, soul, blues, hip hop,
      disco, etc.&nbsp; I watch my own people come at me one by one to ask me when
      am I going to play some hip hop as De La Soul is cranking the system.&nbsp; I
      have to plead with aggressive requesters who are so upset that they haven't
      heard Jay-Z's voice for five minutes, that I'm a DJ with my own style, I have
      great records to play for you...please let me play them for you because radio
      or your friendly neighborhood regurgitating radio hits DJ will not play
      them.&nbsp; I ask them to let me offer them a different experience, one that
      feels like ! New York City 10 year's ago when the crowd hardly had a clue what
      the DJ was playing, and that made the party exciting, different, and worth
      going to.&nbsp; Please let me show you how different music is energizing and
      you'll leave here feeling like you were somewhere special because the music
      took you to unfamiliar but soulful funky places.<BR><BR>Now imagine the blank
      stare, and then the response of..."but you still going to play some Hip Hop
      right?"&nbsp; I used to get all worked up but now I feel like it is my duty to
      explain what I'm doing and to defend difference, diversity, and my own
      individual approach.&nbsp; As the dumbfounded requester walks back to tell
      their people's how much I suck, I'm tempted to say "no, YOU suck, but what's
      the point of that?&nbsp; I'd rather keep smacking them in the head with the
      best of all the different genres I play...I try not to give them any room to
      blame the music, but blame me for not playing what they are used to.&nbsp; I
      can take that heat because some people do come around. I'll even take 2 or 3
      out of 200, because those 2 or 3 have friends and they will leave that night
      with something special in their heads that they will want to share with their
      friends and family...it happens all the time.&nbsp; It is rocky soil but you
      must still plant seeds.&nbsp; <BR><BR>Chris, keep offering up those
      headphones, people don't like different, but that they surely know what's
      different and that stays in their head.<BR><BR>One of my funniest encounters
      was with a guy who truly calls himself Rugged, a true thugged-out cat that
      worked Def Jam's Street teams in New York.&nbsp; He came to a gig, and folks
      this does happen, he gave me a Ja Rule single, and then stood next to me for a
      while.&nbsp; I thought that he was checking out the party but he was actually
      waiting for me to play his record.&nbsp; So I told him that Ja Rule doesn't
      really mix well with Eddie Kendricks and that I'd be playing more soul
      classics stuff for the remainder of my set (of course the commercial DJ was up
      next for the late crowd...which I also explained to him).&nbsp; Now these are
      guys that strong-armed New York into it's homogenized state by doing just what
      they do, intimidating you into playing their tune by implying that you will
      not get anymore free vinyl if you don't.&nbsp; Much to Rugged's dismay, I
      didn't care if I was dropped from Def Jam's list and I was not going to drop
      the (uncredited) Stevie Wonder rip-off o! f Ja Rule's "Living It Up" in the
      middle of my classics set...but, keeping in mind that this shouldn't be a
      standoff, I gave Rugged a couple of my mixed CDs that had stuff like, Roots
      Manuva, 23 Skidoo, LTJ Bukem, Attica Blues, and the Silent Poets on it.&nbsp;
      <BR><BR>People, even Rugged was converted as he know wants every mixed CD that
      I do and has even propositioned me about promoting them.<BR><BR>So that is my
      rant and positive solution.&nbsp; Pointing out the problem is practically the
      ethos of American existence now so I shamelessly admit that I'm on the "point
      out the solution" bandwagon.&nbsp; All of you listers out there, please burn
      those CDs of you favorite joints, songs you feel that deserve to be heard and
      give them to that Hot 97, Z-100, K-Rock 92 listening coworker of yours.&nbsp;
      Chances are they will dig at least some of the tunes and start your dialogue
      with them about what else they may be into.&nbsp; It's all great to be part of
      the exclusive community that reads Straight No Chaser religiously, but I feel
      greater when I can share the new music that I've discovered with people who
      seem disinterested in anything that they haven't heard on the radio.&nbsp;
      Enjoying something new is a natural human instinct so you have hone in on that
      urge for newness and provide some nourishment.<BR><BR>If you made it here
      thanks for reading this and what do you think?<BR><BR>EZ<BR><BR>Qool DJ Marv
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