Re: dnb concept

Rick Martinez (dopejazz@webtv.net)
Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:43:21 -0700 (MST)


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I feel Drum & Bass is music in it's own genre. Look when Rap came out
and got it's bigtime early in *83-84. Then in 88-89 out of a long
progression of heavyweight jazz, funk, and soul samples and complexed
rhymes came hip hop. The same way Jungle was the more simpler straight
forward approach of making beats (see The Winston's "Amen" break getting
sliced and diced so many times, the Lyn Collin's "Think " break, the
Incredible Bongo Band's "Apache", were used so much from '92- '95,
Something had to be done and drum and bass was it. Check out tracks like
Roni Size's seminal
"11:55" track with the sample being from a track called "Sport" (?),
"when the hustler's came out to play it was 11:55" with the breakbeat
from the same track. He used Dennis Coffey's "Scorpio" break for good
use. As he did "Lonnie Liston Smith's Shadows for "It's a jazz Thing".
Adam F cleverly used Bob James "Westchester Lady' for the massive tune
"Circles".

DRUM & bass to me is an extension of jazz, funk, rare groove, like
Hip hop was. The beats have been recyckled a 3rd time over. Yes, some f
the newer tracks are using more kick drum-to-snare steppa's break, but
the tweaking/filtering of the drum sounds is awesome. For oumore
adventurous Acid Jazz listeners, check out the styles of Photek (Art
Blakey to Weather Report- style drums), Dillinja, Jonny L., Optical,
Matrix, Ed Rush, Swift (on Charge Records), Dope Dragon Records (Roni
Size, Krust, Die, Suv alter ego's), Krust, Die, Suv of Full Cycle (very
jazzy, and analogue-y ang bleepey Herbie Hancock's electro period), and
Ram/ Liftin Spirits label featuring the hi-tech funk of Andy C, Shimon,
Ant Miles, Stakka and K-Tee. This us just an introduction into the
wonderful world of drum and bass.

Ignore Goldie (his stuff is getting too pretensious, sorry
Golden One), Aphrodite/ Urban Takeover (too simplistic Commercial rap
influenced for me and ridiculous bouncin' bassline always sounds the
same on every record), cheesy remixes of R&B, Puff Daddy, Missy Elliot,
and probably Usher (god I hope not)!!!! A little wisdom from a dedicated
junglist.

Peace Essential

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Date: 15 Feb 99 17:34:14 -0800
Subject: Re: dnb concept
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dl> I'm just starting to discover the dnb genre, but I think there's a lot
dl> more creativity going on in drum n bass than just speeding up a drum
dl> track. To me (<-- a keyboardist, not a DJ or a producer) it's similar
dl> to what DJs do, in that they are taking sounds and loops and pieces of
dl> songs and reconstructing them into something new and original...
dl> something that might not have been possible before using the
dl> instruments, voices, or whatever.

kinda like hiphop, eh?

dl> Aren't most dnb drum tracks created by sampling individual
dl> drum/percussion sounds, tweaking/tuning them, and sequencing them back
dl> into a pattern? It doesn't require changing the pitch of the
dl> instruments, though.

there are many ways to approach it. see my other post about this.

dl> That's how Propellerheads described what they do,
dl> I think. They're not dnb, but it's the same idea.

ultimately, propellerheads are their own thing, but they get lumped in w/the
big beat peeps--mostly because they use breakbeats, rock (guitars), and
tb303
(synth bass) "acid" sounds. other notable people in this bag are the
chemical
bros. and norman cook in some of his guises (fatboy slim, pizzman/mighty dub
katz, and freakpower's "no way").

dl> (If there are any dnb
dl> producers out there, please help me out.) I guess the whole concept of
dl> taking music apart and putting it back together is really fascinating
dl> to me, and I think dnb artists use it to create a lot of innovative
dl> syncopated rythmic patterns that, when combined with a fairly simple
dl> bass line, "groove" just as hard as a live band with real instruments,
dl> in my opinion. And don't get me wrong, I absolutely love that live,
dl> acoustic "groove" too.

so do many dj/producers--listen to the length of some of the samples!! some
producers bring in live players for that reason too (like dj greyboy & roni
size/reprazent).

dl> My question to the list: Is dnb something that is created "live," like
dl> in a DJ's set, as well as played as a pre-recorded part of a set? I'm
dl> still learning about this whole DJ thing. Thanks, list.

like hiphop, d&b can be performed live in a number of ways, but usually the
music is created in the studio. you can bring racks of samplers, keyboards,
etc. in the chemical bros. model (no, they're not d&b, but it doesn't
matter),
you can have live musicians play all the parts (check out 4hero's new
album),
--the reprazent/roni size show incorporates both approaches--or you could
use
the dj food/x-men method of several djs playing simultaneously and bringing
in all of the elements from just records & turntables. this is one of the
things that the club "stealth" (ninja tune's night @ the blue note in
london)
was known for, though probably more in the hip/trip-hop bag.

t-bird

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