Re: Bomb the Dissent; Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case

From: Marco (freakymarco@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Jul 11 2001 - 23:07:43 CEST

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    --- Keith Goodale <kgoodale@stic.net> wrote:
    > I was
    > wondering what the
    > distinction is between hip hop and rap.

    "Rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live."
    I just like this quote (KRS-1, I think), so I break it out
    every time this debate pops up in my life. It speaks
    towards hip hop being a culture (4 elements and all that),
    and rap being the action of speaking over drums.

    Recently, it seems the term 'rap' has been co-opted in
    reference to commercial hip hop acts, adding to the
    confusion. Big props to those on the list who speak on hip
    hop and culture far more eloquently than I could (Beau,
    Adario, Axel, Stephanie).

    Anyways, as far as dissent towards hip hop goes, I agree
    and will vehemently argue that you cannot discuss acid jazz
    without allowing discussion of hip hop. Think of artists
    like Greyboy, who considers himself a hip hop DJ first and
    foremost, but has nonetheless produced some excellent acid
    jazz. I could just as easily mention any number of
    ninjatune artists (coldcut; herbaliser; up, bustle & out;
    all hip hoppers at heart, in part at least), and many
    others.

    --- Beau Young <bjy07@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > actually, i'm not even that bitter (lol) this is
    > the common attitude in the real world... 'oh i
    > like everything but rap'

    I don't hear this nearly as often as "Oh I like everything
    but country". Maybe we could compare the current sorry
    state of commercial hip hop with that of commercial
    country... meanwhile I'll keep grooving to ernest tubb,
    merle haggard, and tammy wynette ; )

    =====
    Marco Pringle, host of
    the Fat Beat Diet - Thursday evenings, 10:30-Midnight
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