Re: Bomb the Dissent; Re: hip hop top 10 / in my case

From: Marco (freakymarco@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Jul 12 2001 - 02:56:50 CEST

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    --- "m.pallorina" <spunkyspud@couchpotatoes.ph> wrote:
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    > why
    > the heck do these kinds of commercial stuff pop up out of
    > nowhere and take hold of the audience? what does the
    > audience want anyway, and how come the "classics" as
    > defined by the good people in this list don't quite make
    > it commercially?

    Paraphrasing as a culturally-aware prof of mine used to
    say, people don't know what they want, they want what they
    know. As such, to achieve commercial success usually means
    digging deep into marketing budgets to completely saturate
    the airwaves with your product (by paying off radio
    stations, huge cross-media promotions, etc.).

    Take dido's "No Angel" as an example, an album which I
    quite liked when it came out (what, like two and half years
    ago now?). This was a great album, but when released, it
    was pretty much commercially ignored. To acheive
    recognition, Dido's music had to appear as the theme to a
    TV show, then have a song appear on a popular movie
    soundtrack. To finally blip on the commercial radio radar,
    she had a song sampled by Eminem, which was then played ad
    nauseum. Total market saturation, now she's a somewhat big
    star, sitting at the top of the charts.

    As for the question of classics, they're defined by most
    irregardless of commercial success. I don't beleive
    commercial success is required to have a tune declared as a
    classic. Nor does commercial success necessarily
    automatically bestow classic status on a song. 'Classic'
    would imply a certain longevity, and let's face it, most
    (not all) commercial hits lack longevity in big, BIG way.
    They may accurately define a moment, but it is an ephemeral
    moment, and quickly forgotten (Who's gonna know who Jessica
    Simpson is 10 years from now? the hamster dance? MC
    Hammer?). However, many of the 'classic' artists listed
    recently in the hip hop threads of this list have acheived
    a significant measure of commercial success (Dr. Dre, De La
    Soul, Gang Starr, Beastie Boys, or moving off hip hop, Jill
    Scott, India.Arie, Sade, d'Angelo... the list goes on).

    > i'm just wondering why everyone on the list is so intent
    > on excluding the commercial artists/songs/albums from the
    > discussion

    Because we're not sheep, following blindly? OK, too
    sarcastic. Because commercial artists don't need the
    exposure, everyone already knows about them. It's far more
    exiting to stay one step ahead of the game, listening and
    learning about the tastemakers whose sound will eventually
    trickle down to the mainstream (like how hip hop is now
    ubiquitous, or listening to jungle in '94 and then hearing
    breakbeats in just about every commercial and radio hit in
    '99, or seeing how two-step is being mutated to suit a boy
    band's commercial jingle needs). Well, that and dozens upon
    dozens of other reasons which would easily fill hundreds of
    posts.

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