Re: Forget that new car....

From: Olaf Molenveld (olaf@interactivelink.nl)
Date: Thu Nov 08 2001 - 12:26:08 CET

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    mastering for vinyl or digital media are both very specialised
    professions.....currently with all the software and hardware tools available
    for free or cheap everyone is loosing the distinction between a lot of
    different activities that make a record: programming, composing,
    engineering, mastering.......these are all different things with different
    demands....

    i think that IF you want to spread your demo's around you're much better of
    by either investing in mastering software/hardware for CD's and burning a
    CD-R and spreading this around (if the DJ's really like the track they will
    prolly play it, most venues have 1 or 2 CD-players with pitch etc)....

    mastering (for vinyl but also for CD's) and more specific knowing how to
    control (and not break!) the cutter is something that really needs a lot of
    experience....so i don't think this vestax cutter has a lot of use...i am
    curious what happens when the first few people break the cutter and start
    complaining on the internet, or give a really BADLY mastered and cut acetate
    to DJ's who try to play it but the needle keeps on jumping ;)

    there are some really nice free plugins available (endorphin, THD etc) that
    can really warm up a digital recording and make it really sound nice, even
    on CD-R..it's the smarter, cheaper and more chance on better sound option
    imho

    Olaf

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jason Jasberto Batog <jasbat@home.com>
    To: Acid Jazz Mailing List <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:31 AM
    Subject: Re: Forget that new car....

    > > HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.....talk about a step BACKWARDS....now, you can't even
    > > TOUCH the vinyl!! :)
    > > It looks like one of the very first laserdisc players, doesn't it? I
    wonder
    > > how easy it is to backcue...I'm thinking it's for audiophiles, not
    > > DJs...what is even more amusing is that this beast is more expensive
    than
    > > Vestax's new vinylcutter, which really promises to revolutionize the
    > > industry...if you haven't seen it, check it out:
    > > http://www.vestax.com.au/products/vrx2000.htm
    >
    > I've seen that laser record player before at this demonstration show
    awhile
    > back at a show and it sounds really good, no joke! It's the perfect
    player
    > for audiophiles but the only problem is that you have to make sure your
    > record is positively clean (use that professional machine). No vinyl
    wear,
    > sweet. That's always been a problem for me with needles (especially with
    > all the vague descriptions salespeople give)...
    >
    > That Vestax cutter, I'm sort of debating about that one. Has anybody
    heard
    > a record cut from it? Mastering, pre-mastering and audio compressing are
    > vital and key elements to produce good sounding vinyl. Can this machine
    > replicate that? Unfortunately it can't, all it has is just a signal
    control
    > which is helpful but probably not by much. Does anybody know if there is
    > control for groove width-spacing and speed control (45 RPM vs 33 RPM)?
    >
    > As well people have to realise that they are going to screw up making
    vinyl
    > badly because I know sometimes go into the red and I know with
    manufacturing
    > vinyl, YOU CAN'T GO INTO THE RED. It has to be compressed and mastered
    > properly so it doesn't do that and I think this is going to be a problem
    for
    > a lot of people that try to make these records.
    >
    > What's the texture like for these discs to etch? Are they like an
    acetate?
    > How fine is the cut? If these sound like acetates, the quality is going
    to
    > be very bad. Anybody notice that acetates sound like garbage? I made one
    > for this track my friend made and it sounded like CRAP. Tons of audible
    > noise and it had a very light but noticable buzz sound going through the
    > whole thing (most likely a programmer's error) and as it got closer to the
    > end, it was so fuzzy. We even got the thing printed at 45RPM so get the
    > best sound quality... And on top of that, the track was only six minutes
    > long. $60US later for the one sided 10" acetate that was later broken and
    > hucked into the garbage.
    >
    > PS: I have a vision and that vision includes many bootlegs being made by
    > this machine! This machine will probably make a lot of labels both
    > respectively happy (make vinyl for your key DJs ahead of time) and mad
    > (seeing unreleased tracks that were CD-r'ed (or even rare groove items)
    now
    > on walls in vinyl format because of the anonymity factor)...
    >
    > What's everybody's opinion on this?
    >
    > JJB/opSN
    >



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