RE: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century

From: Dan (
Date: Fri Aug 30 2002 - 05:17:57 CEST

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    While I still think Trouble Funk could well be considered disco (after all,
    what precisely is disco?), I agree with the rest of your points. Consensus

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Stimp []
    Sent: August 29, 2002 8:52 PM
    To: Dan; Acid-Jazz Listserve
    Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century

        Personally, I'd consider Trouble Funk to be a funk/groove band more than
    disco (or more specifically, go-go music from DC (check out fellow
    listmember Bob Davis' for the lowdown; an indispensible
    source for all things funky). While TK records recorded KC, Anita Ward and
    other pop-disco of the era, they also released Punk, hardcore, beat-poetry,
    Jazz-Funk and other stuff. That being said, I tend to view TK as more than
    just a disco label. The same obviously goes for Sugarhill records; I don't
    consider the Furious-Five to be disco. As a matter of fact, they are
    specifically one of the bands I was making reference to when talking about
    alternatives to disco. Same goes for the Casablanca label (remember KISS?)

        I'm certainly not suggesting that anything remotely resembling disco
    from the 70's is invalid; every musical form of expression is valid and has
    its greats. Disco came from funk, which came from R&B, and so on. However,
    most disco REPLACED it's Funk predecessors and put them out of business, at
    least for awhile. Once great funk artists/bands like Rufus, Parliament,
    KISS, The Rolling Stones, The Brothers Johnson and others HAD to put out
    disco in order to sell records. George Clinton himself admitted that "Party
    People" was the worst song they'd ever done!! It became about selling
    repetitive crap to white people rather than making good music, and they
    succeeded greatly. In any case, Rickey Vincent's EXCELLENT book, "Funk:
    The Music, The People, and the Rhythm of The One" lays it out far better
    than I ever can.

        Alls I know is that the only people who got wet between the thighs when
    the whole disco revival blew up a few years ago, were those same people who
    line up to buy Spice Girls, Boy Bands, Celine, and whatever other product
    the music companies are shilling these days. Barring the underground stuff
    that you refer to in your post, Disco WAS the bad radio pop of the 70's and
    was no different then than the Vengaboys are today. I guess it's the
    Disco-pop, as you call it, that I'm referring to more than anything else.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Dan" <>
    To: "Acid-Jazz Listserve" <>
    Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 7:01 PM
    Subject: RE: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century

    > Perhaps you would be surprised to know that much on the Sugarhill label is
    > considered a form of disco. Trouble Funk's "Drop the Bomb", for example,
    > most certainly a work of disco-funk. And where do you think so many of
    > early hiphop samples come from? To the quote the Furious Five, it's
    > without the 'disco fluid'. Again, I suggest that you merely write without
    > appreciating the true importance of disco. The massive influence of T.K.
    > label style arrangements from the late seventies is abundantly apparent on
    > more recent music, Faze Action for example. More to the point, the very
    > notion of producing a record primarily for a dancefloor is product of
    > You are right to dismiss pop disco (although Chic was much revered by the
    > Clash) but you cannot dismiss disco without undermining contemporary dance
    > music culture.
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Stimp []
    > Sent: August 28, 2002 11:30 PM
    > To:
    > Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century
    > Y'know, I'm with Pace on this one; it seems that everyone sees even
    > worst musical travesties with rose colored glasses once they age a few
    > decades. Disco had its revival, with the requisite weaned-on-radio fans
    > trumpeting the genius of Gloria Gaynor and Donna Summer. Now, the 80's are
    > experiencing a bit of a revival, and Kajagoogoo are being spoken of with
    > reverence. Fuck it, it sucked then, it still sucks now.
    > There was ALWAYS a difference between what P-Funk and KC and the
    > Sunshine were doing, between what Elvis Costello and A Flock of Seagulls
    > did, and there always will be. That's why the greats still record and
    > while the others get put on a show with William Shatner singing their
    > praises. DJ's looking for great old-skool beats are far more likely to
    > them on a Rufus or Graham Central Station record than they are on a Teena
    > Marie K-Tel extravaganza.
    > Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone on this list would even mention
    > disco the viable musical choice of that era when there's TONS of great
    > Hip-Hop (Grandmaster Flash, Kurtis Blow, Sugarhill gang,etc... you all
    > 'em) and Punk rock acts whose musical influence is still being felt 30
    > later. Who'd KC or Teena Marie ever inluence? Sure, it's not all bad,
    > most of it sucked ass and put musicians out of business. I ain't with
    > Throwaway music is just that, no matter how old it is. If not, I've got a
    > pile of Glen Miller and Pat Boone records I wanna sell you......
    > Stimp
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Wm. ERROL PACE" <>
    > To: <>
    > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:55 PM
    > Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] tool requests was 21st Century
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >I dunno, it doesn't seem that far fetched. When I saw DJ
    > > >Z-Trip, he spun a pretty eclectic but mostly hip hop and
    > > >funk set... AND he dropped AC/DC's "Back in Black", doubled
    > > >it up and did a bit of a beat juggle on that
    > > >ever-so-recogizable guitar riff.
    > >
    > > Ah Hah!!! Variety, the Spice of Life. I'll take DJ Krush's Code 4019's
    > > "Final Home" and then Led Zeppelin's "When the Levee Breaks" from Zofo.
    > Now
    > > that would be friggin' Good to Go, Funk doesn't just exist where one
    > thinks
    > > it would!!! Then The Cure "Fascination Street" into their version of
    > > Hendrix "Purple Haze" from the Stone Free Tribute. Then bust into some
    > The
    > > Grassy Knoll top it off with Billy Idol/Steve Stevens "Flesh for
    > > extended oh yeah add in Nils Petter Molvaer's "Khmer" now that would be
    > > nice. I'll take my Acid Downtempo with a Double Shot of Rock!!!
    > >
    > > Then, if memory serves, he
    > > >let in with an accapella of a Christina Aguilera track, of
    > > >all things. The crowd loved it. Not so completely out of
    > > >place as you might expect.
    > >
    > > I feel much better now, hopefully I am not condemned to 1977 Polyester
    > Hell.
    > > I think folks re missing a point I was making as well. Growing up
    > during
    > > the 70's really sucked in my area here in South Carolina. Closed
    > > the Disco-phile were militantly close minded. Me? Close Minded? I
    > to
    > > say I'm selective. I know what I like and what I don't but then again
    > still
    > > being here in South Carolina one doesn't get the full exposure to a wide
    > > variety of music like in major metropolitan areas. I detested having
    > Disco
    > > pushed in my face when I was younger and I'm sure those folks detested
    > > having what I liked having shoved in their faces as well. Once again it
    > > comes around to variety is the Spice of Life.
    > >
    > > Maybe I was misunderstood a little but the Peace Pipe goes out to one
    > > all who got bent.
    > >
    > > Semper Motociclismo,
    > >
    > > Pace'
    > >
    > > >
    > > >--- t-bird <> wrote:
    > > > > i think you guys are totally missing the point of what
    > > > > michael was trying to get across. it's not so much
    > > > > about tool in the absolute, but relative to what he
    > > > > was playing--funk or house. i own and love ac/dc's
    > > > > "back in black", but you'd be hard pressed to find it
    > > > > in my record box when i'm playing funk, or electronic
    > > > > music. it's just completely out of place.
    > > > > > -t
    > > >Marco Pringle, host of
    > > >the Fat Beat Diet - Thursday evenings, 10:30-Midnight
    > > >CJSW 90.9FM (Calgary) - in real audio at:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >Hit you with the funk/It's like, who cut the provalone?
    > > > - Blackalicious
    > >
    > >
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