Re: [acid-jazz] outing

From: Stimp (stimp@aei.ca)
Date: Mon Dec 16 2002 - 09:21:14 CET

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        The term "industrial", as far as I know, was termed by Throbbing
    Gristle, but I can't rememember how the term was coined. I have a feeling
    it had something to do with "Industrial Records", the record label which
    they launched in order to release their sonic collages and experiments.
    Personally, I'd add bands like Skinny Puppy, Suicide, Ministry, Revolting
    Cocks, Can, Kraftwerk etc... to the list of industrial pioneers. Check out
    www.allmusic.com , it's all there.

        Many seem to pick Throbbing Gristle as the "true" pioneers of the modern
    industrial sound (I'd argue that point), probably more because they coined
    the term "industrial music" than for any other legitimate reason. In any
    case, if this is the case and we were to take what they were doing in the
    mid-70's, I'd go back MUCH further to contemporary Classical composers like
    Stockhausen, Varese, Xenakis, Messaien, Boulez, Nono, Morricone's Grupo
    Improvisazione, etc.... As far as I'm concerned, any true fan of electronic
    music (i.e. not the trendsetter types concerned with filling their "cool"
    quotient) should be at least somewhat familiar with early electronic music
    pioneers like the ones mentioned above. Listening to early electronic tape
    music and understanding the history will only make you further appreciate
    the roots of what the new guys are laying down, and how far electronic music
    has come.

        I mean, there's nothing more industrial sounding that Iannis Xenakis'
    "Persepolis", and that was recorded in 1971! Give it a listen, it's well
    worth it. Asphodel records rereleased this excellent recording on cd just
    this year, and it's definitely going to be making my albums of the year
    list. They actually packaged the original 1971 performance as a double cd.
    The second cd consists of remixes of "Persepolis" done by artists like
    Merzbow, Otomo Yoshihide, Zbigniew Karkowski, Francisco Lopez, and others.
    Personally, I find the remix cd rather weak, but the Xenakis performance is
    essential listening, especially for fans of Industrial music et.al.

    Stimp
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "BRIAN" <bbaltin@earthlink.net>
    To: "David Bassin" <bassyd@pacbell.net>; "Acid Jazz ml - UCSD"
    <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:12 AM
    Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] outing

    > Yes, the term industrial was bastardized to connote only industrial disco
    > around 86 with Wax Trax's success, but before that it was the experimental
    > (and, yes, occasionally harsh) electronics of groups like Throbbing
    Gristle,
    > SPK, the early Cabaret Voltaire, Ludus, 23 Skidoo, This Heat, and
    countless
    > other groups.
    > That said, plenty of the industrial groups were doing completely
    > danceable music that wasn't about nondescript syncopated beats at all, but
    > very organic "white boy funk." Groups like 23 Skidoo, Ludus, the Pop
    Group,
    > Rip Rig and Panic, et. al. , were at least as responsible for acid jazz
    and
    > its offshoots as Style Council, Working Week, and all the others that
    people
    > automatically mention.
    >
    > Brian Baltin
    >
    > On 12/15/02 10:19 PM, "David Bassin" <bassyd@pacbell.net> wrote:
    >
    > >> Oh, if we want to talk industrial...shouldn't we go back to Nitzer Ebb,
    > >> Bronski Beat? Or does it go back even further?
    > >
    > >
    > > Bronski Beat???? Jimmy Somerville and Co. were the furthest thing
    > > from industrial music you could name. They were pure disco in the
    > > '80s sense of the word. As for Nitzer Ebb, they were
    > > industrial-lite.....
    > >
    > > DB
    > >
    >
    >



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