Re: Fw: [acid-jazz] Best/Worst/merely Blah of 2002

From: Mark Allerton (mark@warmspot.compulink.co.uk)
Date: Wed Dec 18 2002 - 23:22:43 CET

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    As I pointed out privately, the Verve thing was in reference to your
    comments about "Sounds From The Verve Hi-Fi" which is not a remix comp.

     Stimp wrote:

    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: "Stimp" <stimp@aei.ca>
    >To: "Mark Allerton" <mark@warmspot.compulink.co.uk>
    >Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:27 PM
    >Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] Best/Worst/merely Blah of 2002
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >>Mark, you obviously missed the point entirely. Considering your dumbass
    >>reply to my post, you clearly cannot differentiate between a remix which
    >>actually adds something new and interesting, and one which does nothing
    >>significant to enhance the original track. Damn those idiot-boy listees
    >>
    >>
    >who
    >
    >
    >>don't bother understanding the context of a post before getting needlessly
    >>sarcastic! Do me a favor, if you wanna start a war of words with me, do
    >>
    >>
    >it
    >
    >
    >>privately.
    >>
    >>Stimp
    >>----- Original Message -----
    >>From: "Mark Allerton" <mark@warmspot.compulink.co.uk>
    >>To: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    >>Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:13 AM
    >>Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] Best/Worst/merely Blah of 2002
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>I can imagine your shock... listening to an album by a stale formulaic
    >>>rock band, only to discover it's full of stale formulaic rock, buying a
    >>>compilation of old Verve tracks only to discover it's full of old Verve
    >>>tracks, or buying a five year old Fila Brazilia LP only to discover it
    >>>sounds a bit 90s. Damn those evil record companies!
    >>>
    >>>So I will let your comments about "Cookie" slide - you are clearly
    >>>suffering from PTSD. Get well soon!
    >>>
    >>>On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 08:44 PM, Stimp wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Ok, so here's my list for 2002. What I did is looked thru my
    >>>>collection and
    >>>>dug out everything I bought, within the last 12 months, with a 2002
    >>>>release
    >>>>date.
    >>>>
    >>>>Here's my best
    >>>>-Johnny Cash: American IV: The Man Comes Around (the best of the
    >>>>batch, imo)
    >>>>-Mr. Scruff: Trouser Jazz
    >>>>-Herbert: Secondhand Sounds
    >>>>-DJ Chebb i Sabbah: Krishna Lila (AMAZING!!!)
    >>>>-Antibalas: Talkatif
    >>>>-Melvins + Fantomas: Millenium Monsterwork
    >>>>-Below The Sea: Les Arbres Depayseront D'avantage (fans of Godspeed
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >You
    >
    >
    >>>>Black Emperor! and Mogwai will love this)
    >>>>-Iannis Xenakis: Persepolis + Remixes (Persepolis is absolutely
    >>>>essential,
    >>>>while the remixes are merely lukewarm to bad)
    >>>>-Suba: Tributo
    >>>>-Sigur Ros: ( )
    >>>>-Polmo Polpo: The Science Of Breath (an ambient electronic must-have)
    >>>>-Manu Chao: Radio Bemba
    >>>>-Cinematic Orchestra: Every Day (This is some seriously fresh shit.
    >>>>Totally
    >>>>original and fresh. Already looking forward to their next one!)
    >>>>-Godspeed You Black Emperor: Yanqui U.X.O. (Very similar to their
    >>>>earlier
    >>>>stuff, but so damn grandiose in scale and GOOD!)
    >>>>-NIN: And All That Could Have Been
    >>>>-Blackalicious: Phrenology
    >>>>-Hank Williams III: Lovesick, Broke And Driftin' (WOW!!! Far better
    >>>>than
    >>>>his dad, and just as good as ol' granddad!)
    >>>>-Tom Waits: Alice
    >>>>-Merzbow: Amlux
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Now, for the worst:
    >>>>-Melvins: Hostile Ambient Takeover
    >>>>-Verve Remixed: (It's been done SO MANY BLOODY TIMES!!!!)
    >>>>-Rudy Ray Moore: 21st Century Dolemite (unfunny, for the most part,
    >>>>mixed in
    >>>>with bad songs and WAY too much use of the word Motherfucker)
    >>>>-John Zorn: IAO (Sounds like any one of ten albums he's already put
    >>>>out, and
    >>>>far from essential)
    >>>>-Pearl Jam: Riot Act (If you own any of their first 3 records, you
    >>>>already
    >>>>know what to expect. Stale formulaic rock)
    >>>>-John Zorn/Mike Patton/Ikue Mori: Hemophiliac (At fifty bucks a crack,
    >>>>this
    >>>>was a complete ripoff. It's autographed by all three and limited to
    >>>>2500
    >>>>copies, but that's really the only thing worth mentioning here. It's
    >>>>not
    >>>>bad, but it ain't good either)
    >>>>-Me'Shell Ndge'Ocello: Cookie: the Anthropological Mixtape (Sounds
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >like
    >
    >
    >>>>crossover Missy Elliot-ish nonsense at times. Way too slick-sounding,
    >>>>not
    >>>>nearly as organic and gut-bucket funky as everything that came before
    >>>>it)
    >>>>-Thievery Corporation: Sounds From The Verve Hi-Fi (They've added
    >>>>ABSOLUTELY
    >>>>NOTHING to these Verve tracks!! Owning alot of the original albums
    >>>>which
    >>>>are featured here, this cd was a complete waste of money for me. Have
    >>>>your
    >>>>buddy burn you a cd and you'll get exactly the same thing.)
    >>>>-Bugge Wesseltoft: Out Here In There
    >>>>-Nils Petter Molvaer: NP3 (VERY disappointed in this one. Lacks the
    >>>>haunting, dense production of his previous 2 releases, and his trumpet
    >>>>playing didn't grab me nearly as much this time around)
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Finally, the so-so, mostly because it's been done before:
    >>>>
    >>>>-Amon Tobin: Out From Out Where
    >>>>-Peace Orchestra: Reset
    >>>>-Herbaliser: Something Wicked This Way Comes
    >>>>-Boards Of Canada: Geogaddi
    >>>>-Fila Brazilia: Maim That Tune
    >>>>-Stanton Moore: Flying The Coop (not nearly as good as "All Kooked
    >>>>Out")
    >>>>-Tom Waits: Blood Money (I NEVER thought I'd find a Tom Waits album
    >>>>merely
    >>>>so-so. Surprise)
    >>>>-V/A: Afrotronic 2 (sounds like every other comp. Save your money)
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Your turn,
    >>>>
    >>>>Stimp
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

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    As I pointed out privately, the Verve thing was in reference to your
    comments about "Sounds From The Verve Hi-Fi" which is not a remix comp.<br>
    <br>
    &nbsp;Stimp wrote:<br>
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      <pre wrap="">----- Original Message -----
    From: "Stimp" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stimp@aei.ca">&lt;stimp@aei.ca&gt;</a>
    To: "Mark Allerton" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mark@warmspot.compulink.co.uk">&lt;mark@warmspot.compulink.co.uk&gt;</a>
    Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:27 PM
    Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] Best/Worst/merely Blah of 2002

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        <pre wrap="">Mark, you obviously missed the point entirely. Considering your dumbass
    reply to my post, you clearly cannot differentiate between a remix which
    actually adds something new and interesting, and one which does nothing
    significant to enhance the original track. Damn those idiot-boy listees
        </pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap=""><!---->who
      </pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">don't bother understanding the context of a post before getting needlessly
    sarcastic! Do me a favor, if you wanna start a war of words with me, do
        </pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap=""><!---->it
      </pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">privately.

    Stimp
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Mark Allerton" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mark@warmspot.compulink.co.uk">&lt;mark@warmspot.compulink.co.uk&gt;</a>
    To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:acid-jazz@ucsd.edu">&lt;acid-jazz@ucsd.edu&gt;</a>
    Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:13 AM
    Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] Best/Worst/merely Blah of 2002

        </pre>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <pre wrap="">I can imagine your shock... listening to an album by a stale formulaic
    rock band, only to discover it's full of stale formulaic rock, buying a
    compilation of old Verve tracks only to discover it's full of old Verve
    tracks, or buying a five year old Fila Brazilia LP only to discover it
    sounds a bit 90s. Damn those evil record companies!

    So I will let your comments about "Cookie" slide - you are clearly
    suffering from PTSD. Get well soon!

    On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 08:44 PM, Stimp wrote:

          </pre>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <pre wrap="">Ok, so here's my list for 2002. What I did is looked thru my
    collection and
    dug out everything I bought, within the last 12 months, with a 2002
    release
    date.

    Here's my best
    -Johnny Cash: American IV: The Man Comes Around (the best of the
    batch, imo)
    -Mr. Scruff: Trouser Jazz
    -Herbert: Secondhand Sounds
    -DJ Chebb i Sabbah: Krishna Lila (AMAZING!!!)
    -Antibalas: Talkatif
    -Melvins + Fantomas: Millenium Monsterwork
    -Below The Sea: Les Arbres Depayseront D'avantage (fans of Godspeed
            </pre>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap=""><!---->You
      </pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <pre wrap="">Black Emperor! and Mogwai will love this)
    -Iannis Xenakis: Persepolis + Remixes (Persepolis is absolutely
    essential,
    while the remixes are merely lukewarm to bad)
    -Suba: Tributo
    -Sigur Ros: ( )
    -Polmo Polpo: The Science Of Breath (an ambient electronic must-have)
    -Manu Chao: Radio Bemba
    -Cinematic Orchestra: Every Day (This is some seriously fresh shit.
    Totally
    original and fresh. Already looking forward to their next one!)
    -Godspeed You Black Emperor: Yanqui U.X.O. (Very similar to their
    earlier
    stuff, but so damn grandiose in scale and GOOD!)
    -NIN: And All That Could Have Been
    -Blackalicious: Phrenology
    -Hank Williams III: Lovesick, Broke And Driftin' (WOW!!! Far better
    than
    his dad, and just as good as ol' granddad!)
    -Tom Waits: Alice
    -Merzbow: Amlux

    Now, for the worst:
    -Melvins: Hostile Ambient Takeover
    -Verve Remixed: (It's been done SO MANY BLOODY TIMES!!!!)
    -Rudy Ray Moore: 21st Century Dolemite (unfunny, for the most part,
    mixed in
    with bad songs and WAY too much use of the word Motherfucker)
    -John Zorn: IAO (Sounds like any one of ten albums he's already put
    out, and
    far from essential)
    -Pearl Jam: Riot Act (If you own any of their first 3 records, you
    already
    know what to expect. Stale formulaic rock)
    -John Zorn/Mike Patton/Ikue Mori: Hemophiliac (At fifty bucks a crack,
    this
    was a complete ripoff. It's autographed by all three and limited to
    2500
    copies, but that's really the only thing worth mentioning here. It's
    not
    bad, but it ain't good either)
    -Me'Shell Ndge'Ocello: Cookie: the Anthropological Mixtape (Sounds
            </pre>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap=""><!---->like
      </pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <pre wrap="">crossover Missy Elliot-ish nonsense at times. Way too slick-sounding,
    not
    nearly as organic and gut-bucket funky as everything that came before
    it)
    -Thievery Corporation: Sounds From The Verve Hi-Fi (They've added
    ABSOLUTELY
    NOTHING to these Verve tracks!! Owning alot of the original albums
    which
    are featured here, this cd was a complete waste of money for me. Have
    your
    buddy burn you a cd and you'll get exactly the same thing.)
    -Bugge Wesseltoft: Out Here In There
    -Nils Petter Molvaer: NP3 (VERY disappointed in this one. Lacks the
    haunting, dense production of his previous 2 releases, and his trumpet
    playing didn't grab me nearly as much this time around)

    Finally, the so-so, mostly because it's been done before:

    -Amon Tobin: Out From Out Where
    -Peace Orchestra: Reset
    -Herbaliser: Something Wicked This Way Comes
    -Boards Of Canada: Geogaddi
    -Fila Brazilia: Maim That Tune
    -Stanton Moore: Flying The Coop (not nearly as good as "All Kooked
    Out")
    -Tom Waits: Blood Money (I NEVER thought I'd find a Tom Waits album
    merely
    so-so. Surprise)
    -V/A: Afrotronic 2 (sounds like every other comp. Save your money)

    Your turn,

    Stimp

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