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You know, I've been waiting a long time for this subject (industrial) to come up. I've been desperately seeking a CD by Caberet Voltaire (mentioned in this thread) "Code". Long out of print. If anyone has a copy that they are willing to part with, please e-mail me privately. I will pay a fair price for it.

Happy Holidays Y'all,

Charles

Lynne d Johnson <lynnedjohnson@earthlink.net> wrote:

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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:08:27 -0500
> From: Lynne d Johnson <lynnedjohnson@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] outing
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>Thank you all for the education.
>
>Peace,
>Lynne
>
>
>From: "Stimp" <stimp@aei.ca>
>Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:21:14 -0500
>To: "BRIAN" <bbaltin@earthlink.net>, "David Bassin" <bassyd@pacbell.net>,
>"Acid Jazz ml - UCSD" <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
>Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] outing
>
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> The term "industrial", as far as I know, was termed by Throbbing
>Gristle, but I can't rememember how the term was coined. I have a feeling
>it had something to do with "Industrial Records", the record label which
>they launched in order to release their sonic collages and experiments.
>Personally, I'd add bands like Skinny Puppy, Suicide, Ministry, Revolting
>Cocks, Can, Kraftwerk etc... to the list of industrial pioneers. Check out
>www.allmusic.com , it's all there.
>
> Many seem to pick Throbbing Gristle as the "true" pioneers of the modern
>industrial sound (I'd argue that point), probably more because they coined
>the term "industrial music" than for any other legitimate reason. In any
>case, if this is the case and we were to take what they were doing in the
>mid-70's, I'd go back MUCH further to contemporary Classical composers like
>Stockhausen, Varese, Xenakis, Messaien, Boulez, Nono, Morricone's Grupo
>Improvisazione, etc.... As far as I'm concerned, any true fan of electronic
>music (i.e. not the trendsetter types concerned with filling their "cool"
>quotient) should be at least somewhat familiar with early electronic music
>pioneers like the ones mentioned above. Listening to early electronic tape
>music and understanding the history will only make you further appreciate
>the roots of what the new guys are laying down, and how far electronic music
>has come.
>
> I mean, there's nothing more industrial sounding that Iannis Xenakis'
>"Persepolis", and that was recorded in 1971! Give it a listen, it's well
>worth it. Asphodel records rereleased this excellent recording on cd just
>this year, and it's definitely going to be making my albums of the year
>list. They actually packaged the original 1971 performance as a double cd.
>The second cd consists of remixes of "Persepolis" done by artists like
>Merzbow, Otomo Yoshihide, Zbigniew Karkowski, Francisco Lopez, and others.
>Personally, I find the remix cd rather weak, but the Xenakis performance is
>essential listening, especially for fans of Industrial music et.al.
>
>Stimp
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "BRIAN" <bbaltin@earthlink.net>
>To: "David Bassin" <bassyd@pacbell.net>; "Acid Jazz ml - UCSD"
><acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
>Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:12 AM
>Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] outing
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>> Yes, the term industrial was bastardized to connote only industrial disco
>> around 86 with Wax Trax's success, but before that it was the experimental
>> (and, yes, occasionally harsh) electronics of groups like Throbbing
>Gristle,
>> SPK, the early Cabaret Voltaire, Ludus, 23 Skidoo, This Heat, and
>countless
>> other groups.
>> That said, plenty of the industrial groups were doing completely
>> danceable music that wasn't about nondescript syncopated beats at all, but
>> very organic "white boy funk." Groups like 23 Skidoo, Ludus, the Pop
>Group,
>> Rip Rig and Panic, et. al. , were at least as responsible for acid jazz
>and
>> its offshoots as Style Council, Working Week, and all the others that
>people
>> automatically mention.
>>
>> Brian Baltin
>>
>> On 12/15/02 10:19 PM, "David Bassin" <bassyd@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> Oh, if we want to talk industrial...shouldn't we go back to Nitzer Ebb,
>> >> Bronski Beat? Or does it go back even further?
>> >
>> >
>> > Bronski Beat???? Jimmy Somerville and Co. were the furthest thing
>> > from industrial music you could name. They were pure disco in the
>> > '80s sense of the word. As for Nitzer Ebb, they were
>> > industrial-lite.....
>> >
>> > DB
>> >
>>
>>
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>Message: 22 
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:08:27 -0500 
> From: Lynne d Johnson <lynnedjohns=
>on@earthlink.net> 
>Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] outing 
> 
> 
> 
>Thank you all for the education. 
> 
>Peace, 
>Lynne 
> 
> 
>From: "Stimp" <stimp@aei.ca</FONT=
>>> 
>Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:21:14 -0500 
>To: "BRIAN" <bbaltin@earthlink.net</U=
>>>, "David Bassin" <bassyd@p=
>acbell.net>, 
>"Acid Jazz ml - UCSD" <acid-jazz@ucsd=
>.edu> 
>Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] outing 
> 
> 
> The term "industrial", as far as I know, was t=
>ermed by Throbbing 
>Gristle, but I can't rememember how the term was coined. I have a fee=
>ling 
>it had something to do with "Industrial Records", the record labe=
>l which 
>they launched in order to release their sonic collages and experiments. 
>Personally, I'd add bands like Skinny Puppy, Suicide, Ministry, Revolting<B=
>R>
>Cocks, Can, Kraftwerk etc... to the list of industrial pioneers. Chec=
>k out 
>www.allmusic.com , it's all there. 
> 
> Many seem to pick Throbbing Gristle as the "true" pi=
>oneers of the modern 
>industrial sound (I'd argue that point), probably more because they coined<=
>BR>
>the term "industrial music" than for any other legitimate reason.=
> In any 
>case, if this is the case and we were to take what they were doing in the<B=
>R>
>mid-70's, I'd go back MUCH further to contemporary Classical composers like=
> 
>Stockhausen, Varese, Xenakis, Messaien, Boulez, Nono, Morricone's Grupo 
>Improvisazione, etc.... As far as I'm concerned, any true fan of elec=
>tronic 
>music (i.e. not the trendsetter types concerned with filling their "co=
>ol" 
>quotient) should be at least somewhat familiar with early electronic music<=
>BR>
>pioneers like the ones mentioned above. Listening to early electronic=
> tape 
>music and understanding the history will only make you further appreciate<B=
>R>
>the roots of what the new guys are laying down, and how far electronic musi=
>c 
>has come. 
> 
> I mean, there's nothing more industrial sounding that Iannis X=
>enakis' 
>"Persepolis", and that was recorded in 1971! Give it a list=
>en, it's well 
>worth it. Asphodel records rereleased this excellent recording on cd =
>just 
>this year, and it's definitely going to be making my albums of the year 
>list. They actually packaged the original 1971 performance as a doubl=
>e cd. 
>The second cd consists of remixes of "Persepolis" done by artists=
> like 
>Merzbow, Otomo Yoshihide, Zbigniew Karkowski, Francisco Lopez, and others.<=
>BR>
>Personally, I find the remix cd rather weak, but the Xenakis performance is=
> 
>essential listening, especially for fans of Industrial music et.al. 
> 
>Stimp 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "BRIAN" <bbaltin@earthlink.net<=
>/U>> 
>To: "David Bassin" <bassyd@pacbell.ne=
>t>; "Acid Jazz ml - UCSD" 
><acid-jazz@ucsd.edu> 
>Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:12 AM 
>Subject: Re: [acid-jazz] outing 
> 
> 
>> Yes, the term industrial was bastardized to connote only industrial di=
>sco 
>> around 86 with Wax Trax's success, but before that it was the experime=
>ntal 
>> (and, yes, occasionally harsh) electronics of groups like Throbbing<BR=
>>
>Gristle, 
>> SPK, the early Cabaret Voltaire, Ludus, 23 Skidoo, This Heat, and 
>countless 
>> other groups. 
>> That said, plenty of the industrial groups wer=
>e doing completely 
>> danceable music that wasn't about nondescript syncopated beats at all,=
> but 
>> very organic "white boy funk." Groups like 23 Skidoo, Ludus,=
> the Pop 
>Group, 
>> Rip Rig and Panic, et. al. , were at least as responsible for acid jaz=
>z 
>and 
>> its offshoots as Style Council, Working Week, and all the others that<=
>BR>
>people 
>> automatically mention. 
>> 
>> Brian Baltin 
>> 
>> On 12/15/02 10:19 PM, "David Bassin" <F">bassyd@pacbell.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> >> Oh, if we want to talk industrial...shouldn't we go back to N=
>itzer Ebb, 
>> >> Bronski Beat? Or does it go back even further? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Bronski Beat???? Jimmy Somerville and Co. were the furthest thing=
> 
>> > from industrial music you could name. They were pure disco in the=
> 
>> > '80s sense of the word. As for Nitzer Ebb, they were 
>> > industrial-lite..... 
>> > 
>> > DB 
>> > 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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