Re: Acid Jazz and Disco

From: Tim Spurway (tim@twotoprecords.com)
Date: Mon May 13 2002 - 18:56:00 CEST

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    <de-lurk>

    hey wm.,

    assuming you find some redeeming
    qualities in any modern dance music
    (house, jungle, breakbeat, broken beat,
    techno, etc) - you should be able to see
    it's lineage. without disco, there
    would be no house, for example.

    Listen to an early Kool and the Gang
    record. These guys were busting with
    the funky breaks, weird ass experimental
    free jazz stuff, bustin out the jams all
    over the place. Sure, a couple of years
    later they were making more accesible
    disco hits, but they prove where disco
    came from: the funk, and the jazz.
    That's where the stuff we talk about on
    this list is still coming from, IMO.

    Not saying there weren't any mistakes
    (remember that Beethoven disco fusion
    thing?) - but what happened there was a
    appropriation of the underground by the
    big labels - ie. pop culture. stuff
    gets watered down in these circumstances
    and there's always a backlash because it
    gets milked. it's important to remember
    the roots of all that, to remember what
    made it all so powerful to begin with.

    those who don't remember history are
    condemned to repeat it. we are always
    surprised when 'our' music gets snatched
    up by the meatheads, distored into a
    poppy mass-cultural morrass, then six
    months later, the exact same meatheads
    are shooting jukeboxes and wearing DISCO
    SUCKS t-shirts. the problem with the
    meatheads is that they aren't really
    thinking for themselves or actually
    listening - they are just reacting to
    media. which is fine - not everyone has
    the time to really understand poetry,
    painting, or disco.

    </de-lurk>

    On Mon, 13 May 2002, "Wm. ERROL PACE"
    wrote
    > I am seriously trying to comprehend
    any redeeming qualities associated with
    > Disco and its culture. Unless one
    held a huge arse holding in the
    polyester
    > industry maybe that could be one.
    Music-wise? I'm still trying to think
    of
    > one almost redeeming quality. Every
    once in a while I'll see this interview
    > on VH-1 with Niles Rodgers complaining
    about that baseball game in the 70's
    > where it turned into a Death To Disco
    Rally. I can usually find something
    > redeeming about almost anything but
    living during that era just turned me
    > against it all. Hey wait before I
    flush Disco down the toilet I just
    > thought of something redeeming about
    it, Louis Johnson's Bass Playing on
    > Strawberry Letter 23. I have to say
    that was friggin' awesome and I have
    > recently heard it on a T.V.
    Commercial. Always end on a positive.
    >
    > Semper Motociclismo,
    >
    > Pace'
    >
    >
    > > >
    > > > You mean go underground and morph
    into a variety of
    > > > fresh new sounds like
    > > > house and techno, like Disco did?
    I think it's
    > > > already happened, though
    > > > acid jazz was always underground,
    now it has morphed
    > > > into NuJazz and Broken
    > > > Beats.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
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