Re: JAZZ

From: Bob Davis (earthjuice@prodigy.net)
Date: Wed Jan 10 2001 - 02:44:49 CET

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    Scott,

    I agree with you 100%!

    Wynton = "the anti Miles"

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Scott A Hunt <scott@kendev.com>
    To: Leslie N. Shill <icehouse@redshift.com>; Paul S Westney
    <pwestney@jhu.edu>
    Cc: acid <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 3:32 PM
    Subject: Re: JAZZ

    > I agree with your thoughts on Wynton....
    >
    > I found it funny that Branford was aired once or twice because I think he
    > more reflects the more open mind to music than his brother.
    >
    > Wynton simply put is a music traditionalist. There's nothing wrong with
    > that but I would like to hear the thoughts of his brother more. Hopefully
    > there is more to come from Branford.....
    >
    > Scotty....
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Leslie N. Shill" <icehouse@redshift.com>
    > To: "Paul S Westney" <pwestney@jhu.edu>
    > Cc: "acid" <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:35 PM
    > Subject: Re: JAZZ
    >
    >
    > > there is no questioning the incredible ability of Wynton Marsalis nor
    can
    > > anyone doubt the his musical talents, but i do fear that he is a little
    > > stuck on HIS own idea of what jazz is and i find his ideas more than a
    > > little stilted and wooden. It is far more intriguing for me to listen to
    > > people who are open and ready to accept new movements and ideas in the
    > field
    > > they are deeply involved in but these do not often seem to be the people
    > > being interviewed in a broader sense.
    > >
    > > After watching the Charlie Rose show with Burns and Marsalis (which i
    > > enjoyed, by the way) i was left with the feeling that there is too much
    of
    > > an inclination to define things in a politically correct sense. I am
    going
    > > to be very interested to now see the rest of the series and, having seen
    > > where it started, being able to see where and with which artists it
    ends.
    > I
    > > have to wonder out loud if Burns and Marsalis knew about the clip shown
    > that
    > > found Ron Carter, a jazz stalwart if there ever was one, along with
    people
    > > like MC Solaar who probably would barely rate a mention in a series like
    > > this.
    > >
    > > I also liked the passion that was in clear evidence on the Rose show,
    even
    > > if it was cultivated and even if it adhered to certain standards, these
    > men
    > > obviously truly love the art form and i for one would rather have some
    > good
    > > exposure for things that i love than none at all, especially when the
    > > airwaves are not exactly filled with prime slices of jazz for the most
    > part!
    > >
    > > leslie/The Power of Sound/www.kazu.org
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: Paul S Westney <pwestney@jhu.edu>
    > > To: <GlesneM@aol.com>
    > > Cc: <acid-jazz@ucsd.edu>
    > > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:35 AM
    > > Subject: Re: JAZZ
    > >
    > >
    > > > i agree, matt. it's hard to put such a definitive tag on certain
    parts
    > of
    > > > history that are primarily word-of-mouth ... but to burns' credit,
    most
    > of
    > > > what i heard (as far as these extremes are concerned ... ie buddy
    > bolden,
    > > > etc.) had been already accepted as truth in the jazz community.
    > > >
    > > > i was impressed with the filmmaking on the first part. i think it was
    > > > informative and well-put together, although listening to wynton
    marsalis
    > > > makes my hair turn gray, but i'm still not convinced about the
    > historical
    > > > lopsidedness of the series. what went on in the 60s and 70s, ie 'new
    > > > thing,' avant-garde, even coltrane, is, in my opinion, extremely
    > important
    > > > history for understanding the direction of the music.
    > > >
    > > > i also know that wynton marsalis doesn't even consider musicians like
    > > > anthony braxton to be jazz musicians, so if he's going to be pointman
    > for
    > > > this series i think things like that need to taken into consideration.
    > i
    > > > really don't want to criticize this series from a biased point of
    view,
    > i
    > > > just don't necessarily think it's complete, and i'm really not
    convinced
    > > > with burns' defense of the historical scope.
    > > >
    > > > what i've seen already, though, is excellent, and i'm taping the whole
    > > > damned thing for sure ...
    > > >
    > > > we'll see how the rest turns out ..
    > > > p.
    > > >
    > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 GlesneM@aol.com wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > In a message dated 1/9/01 12:36:39 AM Central Standard Time,
    > > > > elson@westworld.com writes:
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > am i the only one appalled every time they say stuff like "the
    > first..."
    > > or
    > > > > the "most important/greatest....?" etc, etc. their eagerness to put
    > > their
    > > > > necks out on the line is astounding. i'm sure there are more than a
    > few
    > > > > scholars out there who would question some of their supposed
    > > certainties.
    > > > >
    > > > > I mean in this age of information, it is still a very impossible
    thing
    > > to say
    > > > > that this artist did this particular thing first - and that it was
    > > completely
    > > > > neccessary and/or important. i mean look at the difficulty in
    putting
    > > > > together any sort of year end lists. half the stuff out there is
    > lost
    > > by
    > > > > anyone who claims to be a critic - espescially a critic relying on
    > > previously
    > > > > written history (which is dubious in early jazz).
    > > > >
    > > > > matt
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
    >



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